Legally Friends

Episode 29: Dear John or John Deer... Amy Comes to Dallas

Legally Friends Season 1 Episode 29

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Amy finally bought her horse—and apparently that was only the beginning of the spending.

This week, Amy joins Zach in Dallas to talk about her new life as a horse girl, the enormous pile of supplies she bought before even bringing Doc home, and their plan to record an entire podcast episode while riding horses.

They also get into Zach and Megan’s experience interviewing for The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the strange tactics reality TV producers use to create drama, and why Taylor Frankie Paul may seriously need to step away from social media.

Plus, Amy tours Zach and Megan’s new Dallas house, reveals that she used to mow the lawn, and tells a Relative from Hell story about a mother-in-law who shot her son-in-law 15 times—and then casually went to Denny’s and a casino.

Judge & Jury: Is a new mom justified in cutting off her mother-in-law after she ignored nearly every boundary surrounding the newborn?

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zach@legallyfriends.com

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Okay.

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Have a good show. Thank you.

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Alright.

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Okay, let's go.

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We're in a very professional spot.

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We are.

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Flowers are a nice touch. Yeah. I feel like they fit your vibe a little more than me.

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I mean, yeah.

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But are you nervous? Because we're like in a more professional spot.

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The cameras are like definitely like.

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It's kind of intimidating.

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Yeah, like I don't know how like reality people do it.

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Having like all these cameras around you all the time and actually. Yeah.

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I would it would be really hard like not to break the fourth wall.

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So it would be hard just to act normal.

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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Like I would like always like want to be like looking at the producers.

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You know, um people already know, but like when Megan interviewed for Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, yeah, and we had to go do like the sit-down interview thing, I like shut down.

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Yeah. I was like, Yeah, this is like not like your jam.

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No. I mean also, but I was trying to be come across as like very professional, which was not what was.

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They do not want very professional. That's like the opposite of what they want.

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But I feel like I'd do better now since we've done this so much. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I wouldn't want to do it. Like, let's be clear.

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But I'm just saying I was No, we don't want a reality show.

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I was not ready for the different cameras looking at me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I remember the guy asked me like the weirdest question. He like looked at my nails. He's like.

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He looked at your nails? Yeah.

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He's like, Did do you bite your nails? I was like.

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Is he like psychoanalyzing you?

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Yeah. I think he was trying to see if there's a weird thing that I do, trying to like get me to like.

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What did you say? I was like, Yeah.

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I was like, no, I just cut my nails today.

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And what did he say?

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He's like, oh, okay. I think he was very disappointed in my answer. He wanted me to like say, Yeah, I'm like super stressed about things, and so I bite my nails. Then he's probably gonna ask what I'm stressed about, you know? It was a very weird question.

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That's so weird.

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But also like lives rent-free in my brain because whenever I cut my nails, I remember that.

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Are people gonna be wondering if I bite my nails?

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No, I just remember him asking that, and I'm like, why in the F did he ask that?

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That's really weird. Yeah, I've never once like looked at somebody's nails and been like, I wonder if they bite their nails.

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I mean, that just kind of tells you how psych how psychotic those producers are.

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No, they they really are. Well, it's because that's their job. So it's like I get it, that's their job. Their job is to produce a good, like, drama-filled TV show because that's what people want to watch. Yeah, but like being somebody who like because they also come across as like your friends. Okay, like have you seen like obviously I don't think you ever watched The Bachelor.

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No, I yes I do. I love The Bachelor.

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Uh-huh. Wait, do you actually?

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Yes. I would watch it with Megan every single time.

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Wait, I'm dead. I feel like you would hate it.

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No, I loved it.

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Oh, did you watch Pilot Pete's season?

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I think so.

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Okay, so his like main producer, have you seen this?

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No.

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She just came out with a book because so like Pilot Pete and his producer like fell in love.

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Oh wow. And they're the producer, yes. Like during the show.

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Not during the show. They're saying that it happened like after everything, but like all of the other bachelors, like Tyler Cameron and Nick Vale, and like whatever, um, they're like, it's not okay. Like the producers are like in such a position of power, and like that is like your only source to like the outside world because they take your phone, it's your only communication. Like you, it's not like you can like talk to anybody else, it's just like your main producer that you're talking to.

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Yeah.

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And so anyway, people are saying how like she was in a position of power and she like abused it, and then she wrote this like tell all book.

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Yeah.

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And because like you're in like a such like a vulnerable position, like being the bachelor, I guess.

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Yeah, but they're obviously so good at like and they're so good at pulling things out of you, and almost like manipulation, yeah.

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And so that's what the guys were saying, and so they were like, So then for you to like use your producer role and like fall in love and then write a book about it.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, so like the bachelor world is not happy about it.

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Does the bachelor world even exist anymore? I feel like it kind of is collapsing, yeah.

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It kind of, it kind of is, but yeah, they're still, I feel like they're still going strong. I haven't watched it since um Colton jumped over the fence. That was the last time I watched it.

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I I definitely have watched it.

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Chris Harrison was like yelling like Colton into the night. I was like, Okay, I'm done with this.

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Yeah, that was wild one. Yeah, there's been some good ones though. I actually love it. Paradise is the best.

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Paradise is good because it's just like funny and they're just like crazy, and they're just like drunk on the beach.

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But then they started trying to compete with Love Island because they started doing like they would bring in challenges or whatever. No, and they would bring in like uh they had their own uh what's it called? What's the Love Island, like the villa thing where like they switched.

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Oh, like Casa More.

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Casa Moore. They had like their own Casa More, and that was like what's going on here.

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I think I stopped watching Paradise after who was it? I think it was after Hannah and Dylan.

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Oh, okay.

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Or maybe it was I don't know. I haven't watched it in a long time.

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But I I actually do love it. I was excited for um like each season, and maybe I would watch it every week. So yeah, unfortunately, Taylor Frankie Paul kind of ruined this season. But she is really Noah was also a question they asked me. During the interview, what they really tried to like get me to like say bad things about like Taylor Frankie Paul and some of the other cast people. That was kind of weird. I was like, I don't know them, seem like great people.

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I was like, Yeah, no, they also don't want that. They want you to talk crap on them.

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They want me to say bad things.

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Because that that's how they start the drama, because then they're like, Well, did you hear some of the things?

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Well, I mean I'm happy to do it now because that chick is absolutely psychotic.

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Have you seen the new stuff? Uh just like within the last few days. Well, this will come out next week, so it it'll be like a week ago.

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It'll be old, but what?

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Um she so both of her exes, Dakota and the Paul guy, I always forget his name. I don't know. Um, he they're trying to get custody. So she has two kids with the first guy and then one kid with Dakota. They're both trying to get full custody. And so they're like constantly doing like these DCFF, DCFS um like child services.

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Okay, okay.

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Um actually don't know yeah, family services. Anyway, okay, I was gonna say there's not enough, but family, yeah. Anyway, so DCFS is there at her house, and they're saying that she was just like scrolling on her phone, like not paying attention to DCFS at all. And she saw something online that pissed her off, and it like sent her into a spiral, and her kids weren't home. I feel like some of the articles like got confused, or like they like purposefully made it seem like the kids were home. The kids weren't home, and she left and she looks at DCFS and she's like, I have to go lock up on your way out, and just like left DCFS at her house.

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This is like when they do like the in-home and like kind of not inspection, but like kind of seeing how things are and how it is with her.

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They're like trying to like evaluate her like. Yes, evaluate.

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Yeah, yep, yep.

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To see if she's like gonna be a fit mother, and she she lets something online piss her off so bad that she has to leave, and she's like, make sure you lock up on your way out.

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That's wild.

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And the lady was like, You can't you can't just leave a stranger in your home.

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Yeah.

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It's actually really, really sad. Like, she needs help. It's like a larger one.

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She just needs to like take her phone and like give it to somebody else.

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She needs to be offline.

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Yeah, just pay someone else to handle it for you. Like, she's probably making plenty of money now.

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But it's like she can't help herself.

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I know, but that's why you need like someone she trusts, you know, just like help me. Like, take the phone, and I'll be a lot happy. She she won't. She won't give up.

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Because it's like, and like she's still making TikToks.

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Yeah.

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And people are like, stop making TikToks.

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Yeah.

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Like your children are about to be taken away from you, and all you're ca all you care about is that like Whitney Levitt said something about how like she like starts started her own production company, and Taylor Frankie Paul was like, Well, three years ago they asked me to. And it's like, okay, and no one cares about what they asked you three years ago.

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I hate when people do that. Yeah, that's annoying.

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It's actually so sad.

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Yeah, well, it's kind of like hard to feel bad for her.

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It's hard to feel bad for her, but at the same time, I'm just like Because she's been given a lot of chances. At what cost?

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Like, this isn't like just randomly out of the blue.

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Yeah, no.

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She's been doing some crazy shiz for years now. Yeah, and it's like people kind of keep forgiving, keep forgiving.

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But like it always falls back on, well, I'm I'm the creator of mom talk. Okay. That's great. And no one really gives She's the OG swinger.

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The OG swinger.

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It's it's so weird, and like I can't stand, I don't know why they really lean into this, but when they're like, are we gonna survive without Taylor? And then all of the other girls are like posting TikToks and they're like, We're surviving and thriving.

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I'm like, I'm like honestly so glad I don't see any of that.

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It's so cringy, and she's like, they'll never survive without me. I'm like, okay, you all need to stop. Like you're all mothers.

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They just milk it.

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Like, stop. And maybe they're doing it because they get like a big fat check and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

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But I'm just impressive, which is I can I want to blame them. If that's the case, like I don't blame them.

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Yeah, it just I'm just like, like, it's so it's so cringy to me. I'm like, stop like saying, like, will we survive without Taylor? Like, I hope so.

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I I don't know. After knowing Macy, because we have to know her.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I feel like they just do it because they know it's gonna get the most engagement.

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You definitely have to put like on the facade online persona. Like, I feel like even Megan has like a little bit of an online persona, yeah, but like not to that level.

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Yeah. But if it's like if I just post one about this every once in a while, like cup every couple months, just pretend to drum up this drama.

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It does rack up the engagement. I mean, look, we're talking about it.

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Exactly. Like, I would I would be like do the same thing.

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Like the diehard Taylor fans, they will like die on the hill of Taylor Frankie Paul. And I'm like, really? That's who you're gonna decide to like put your weight behind. Yeah, it's very bizarre to me.

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Their weight, their like non-existent weight.

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Well, yeah, it's just weird because I also like would never be caught dead, like fighting somebody in the comment section of somebody that like I don't know. Like, I used to kind of get it.

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Some people do it for you though.

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I mean, yeah, but I still don't really understand. I'm like, you don't even know me. Like, why like I used to kind of like when Emily and Rachel first started their blogs, and like people would be like, Are you wearing your garments? And I would be like, Why do you care if they're wearing their garments? It's none of your business. But like, that's my sister. So of course I'm gonna put my weight behind them. But like, for somebody that like I don't know, like if I was walking down the street, they would not know my name and wouldn't even remember passing me. Like, I just like I've never really understood that. Like commenting.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I get it on somebody that like I don't know.

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I get that. No, I understand. I don't get it.

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Maybe somebody can explain it to me. But like I thought, like, leave it in the comments why you guys do that.

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I think it's like genuinely some people's hobbies and like kind of like their escape, you know.

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Yeah, I think it's also like a parasocial like relationship. Cause like I do understand, like, you feel like you know them. Like Paige Lorenz got married on last Tuesday, I guess now two Tuesdays ago. And all of her pictures are released, and I'm like, oh my gosh, these are stunning. Like, this is what I want my wedding to live with. I'm like, who knew that Long Island was so beautiful? And like now I want to get married on Long Island.

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Oh my gosh.

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But like, and like it's stunning, and the most I would ever comment is stunning, but like I'm also not gonna comment stunning. But like it is stunning, and like I'm so happy, but and like I'm like, oh my gosh, like I'm eating it up out of the palm of her hand. But I don't I just think it's so weird. I agree, but teach their own because teach their own.

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You know, some people are nice to us and some people hate us. No, but it's great.

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Yeah, I love it.

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Um but anyway, this is episode 29, which is kind of crazy.

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This is episode 29.

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And we're in Dallas. And what are you checking right now?

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This freaking annoying person keeps thinking that I'm the buyer of our Lehigh house.

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Uh.

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And they freaking text me all the time. I'm like, okay, lose my number, first of all.

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Yeah.

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And second of all, I'm not who you think I am. I'm the seller. Like, I don't know why they think I'm the buyer.

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Yeah, that's annoying.

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Anyway, sorry.

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Anyway, so you are in Dallas.

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I'm in Dallas.

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And I picked you up yesterday from the airport with obviously with Megan and the boys. She came with him. And uh you were kind of depressed to come here.

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Okay. I was like, okay, no, I look at you.

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I look at you, you're in the front seat like this.

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Okay, first of all, that's just my face.

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But like you were this was with fine within within five minutes of getting here, you genuinely just were like, seemed like F, I don't want to be here. Like F this.

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No, I do want to be here. I love being here with you guys.

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Sure.

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This this is the thing. When we booked it, okay, I had not bought Dock yet.

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Oh wow.

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So then I found a barn in Alpine. And the night, like I'm packing, I'm like doing laundry, and the manager texts me and he's like, Hey, a stall opened up, like I can go, because he knows I don't have a trucker or trailer, and he's like, I can go with you tomorrow morning to get your horse if you want to bring it here. And so then I was like, fu, like, why am I going to Dallas? I could be going to get Doc and like bringing it to Alpine and like then I could start my lesson sooner and just like get the ball rolling sooner. Now I have to wait till Tuesday.

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Oh my gosh, poor Doc.

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I know it's devastating. So I was I was like a little like, why am I going? But now that I'm here.

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Are you sure?

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Yes, I love it. We had so much fun on the plane. Me and Wesie, we sat next to each other. He slept for like, it's like what, like a two and a half hour flight? He slept for the first two hours and then watched Paw Patrol.

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That is a great flight.

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And then we ate gummy bears together for the last 30 minutes. So it was perfect.

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Okay, also, stop giving my kids so much crap. They are picking up whenever I go there, they go right to the freezer and I see handfuls of chocolate chips all day because they're just copying their Aunt Amy maim, and then you just give them whatever they want.

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Okay, first of all, I didn't buy the gummy bears for Wesse. Megan did.

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Okay, I get that. But okay, I'm mainly focusing on like chocolate chips.

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Yeah, no, Wesse does love to get a frozen chocolate chip with me.

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Not just one, a handful. And it's like at 9 a.m. I'll what do you guys want for breakfast? Nothing. Open the freezer, handful of chocolate chips.

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No, yeah, they like when I reach in and get some chocolate chips, I get like three.

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Sure you do.

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But like they don't understand the concept of like um like limited qu quantity. And so Wesie is just like going like full handful, and then he also doesn't understand like one at a time, so then full handful is being shoved into his mouth.

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Yeah, I know.

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And then he's like, let's go get more. I'm like, hold on.

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And then you guys are like, okay, let's gonna get you a cup, fill a cup halfway full of chocolate chips.

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No, just like the little bottom, like that much. Well, then they yell at me and they're like, I want more. And it's like, who am I to say no?

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The adult?

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Yeah, but I'm not the parent.

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Oh my hell.

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But anyway, so you came here. You I could tell you were pretty bugged to be here.

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I wasn't bugged. I'm not bugged.

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You I love how angry you get at me when I say, Are you annoyed or are you bugged?

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Well, because it's annoying because now, like, I am getting bugged.

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Right now you are?

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Well, it just like I don't like when you were when you're like, you're bugged that you're here. No, I'm not.

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But you just admitted that you were.

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The night before, when I got only when I got the text that I was like, of course. Like the one weekend. Literally, the one weekend I'm not at home. But it's fine because three days later he'll be there. It's fine.

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It's not like he knows me yet.

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He does know me. Don't say that.

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Also, I've heard you've spent an absurd amount of money on this horse already.

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Okay, not an absurd.

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You already had like 30 packages stacked up in your guys' like little closet for your horse that wouldn't even exist at the time. Like you had no horse, but you had a brick of salt for it to lick, and then you were licking it, testing it out.

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I did make everyone lick it. It's just Redmond salt.

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Yeah, it's hilarious.

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Mined in Utah. Did you mine salt?

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Yeah, uh sure. I don't really know the process, but I know it comes from Utah. Anyway, so what's the most expensive thing you have bought for this horse?

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The horse.

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I said for this horse.

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The board?

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What's that? Okay. Oh my hell. From Amazon.

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Oh. This is the thing. It's not like one massive thing that's like, okay, like this is a lot of money. It's like little things that it's like $30 here, $50 here, and then it just adds up, and you and then all of a sudden you have like 25 things in your cart that are all worth like $30, and you're like, check out.

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That is like you to a T right there. That is actually the funniest thing ever. Because that is you, just it's like, hmm.

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I know you're like, oh, that that total's pretty hefty. Click.

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Ask for forgiveness later.

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No, and that like genuinely is my motto.

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That is funny.

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So yeah, it just they're like babies. They're like giant babies that you're just like, oh, they would like that. Oh, they need this. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna have it.

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They would like that.

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I I literally okay, actually, I just remember it. The most expensive thing that I bought for the horse.

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Okay.

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Essentially, it's a baby monitor.

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Oh, that's actually hilarious.

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And you like, it's like a magnet, so you hook you like put it in the top corner of their stall so you can watch them. And like it's just like an app I have on my phone.

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Or do you have to hardwire this camera into install it?

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No, no, no. No, it's wireless, Wi-Fi free.

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Like it has to have Wi-Fi.

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No.

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How's it gonna stream? Satellite?

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Yeah.

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No way.

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Yeah.

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How much was this camera?

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Like 240.

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I mean, it's not terrible.

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Not terrible.

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Okay. That's wild. So maybe you should start like a streaming channel. Just streaming doc in his stall all the time.

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It's called Equine Eye. Equine Eye, if you see this, maybe you can sponsor me.

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Yeah, since they're gonna see this.

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Yeah, for oh, 4G camera. So it uses I think it hooks up to my phone.

unknown

Okay.

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Like it uses a little data.

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So you probably have to pay for it. Like it probably an extra five, ten bucks a month.

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Yeah. On your on my like ATT bill.

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Okay, that's that's actually kind of cool.

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Yeah.

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That'll be fun.

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Yeah, and it it's like there's like infrared, night vision. Like, look how cool.

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Wow, so awesome. Look! Oh, wait. You're just gonna be watching Doc.

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Yeah. You can get one that has like a solar panel panel. I didn't get that one though.

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Um, we're also talking about this would be funny. I think we should do this. You take me. No, we're going to to do a horse lesson.

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Yeah, we're going to.

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And we record it and make it like that's our That's like our episode. And that'd be funny. We're just like walking around on the horses. I'm on the back, and we're just like doing our episode as we're just like walking.

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Well, and maybe I'll have my um my other horse by then. Oh, I my leasing horse that I'm leasing for my friend. Um, maybe we could do like a little trail ride.

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How are we gonna film that?

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I don't know. We could we could get we could get like the cause you have meta glasses and I have meta glasses.

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Yeah. But they can't record, they only record like two and a half minutes. Yeah.

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The whole episode would be like, hey, meta, start recording.

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It'd just be us bouncing. Everyone would be nauseous watching that.

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Oh, that would be so funny.

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Just be streamers and we're just streamers on horses.

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On the horses.

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And so someone's just in front of us, like just dreaming it the whole time.

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Yeah.

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That'd be kind of funny.

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That'd be wild.

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But yeah, I'm actually kind of nervous. I don't like horses. I mean, I like them, but I'm just like scared of them.

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Yeah, well, Doc is perfect.

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So I'm gonna ride Doc.

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Mm-hmm.

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Am I too fat for him? Am I too big?

SPEAKER_02

No, he's massive.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, cool. Anytime, like I mean he carries you, so he's alright.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Anytime I send pictures of my horse to like all my horse friends, they're always like, he is huge. How tall is he? I actually don't know how tall he is. I need to get I need to get a measuring signal. That's another buy. Check out Michael.

SPEAKER_01

Don't shut off the cards. The most expensive measuring tape possible.

SPEAKER_02

No, they're like dollars.

SPEAKER_01

You're gonna have it satellite power to measure them every day. Probably gonna have a scale like put underneath.

SPEAKER_02

No, it's just a stick.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well.

SPEAKER_02

Like remember the the big rulers from like elementary school?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's like that, and then there's like a leveler that comes out, and you like set it, stand it next to the horse's shoulder, you put it on top of their withers, make sure it's leveled.

SPEAKER_01

They're withers? They're withers.

SPEAKER_02

Like, so it's like the neck and the man. And then there's like it's like their back, but like the highest point of their back. So like up by their neck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02

And then it like dips in, and that's where you sit with the saddle, and then it's like their butt and their back.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I got it.

SPEAKER_02

And then the tail.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's exciting. Old Doc.

SPEAKER_02

Old Doc.

SPEAKER_01

Old Doc.

SPEAKER_02

I wonder if him and Fabby will be friends or if they won't.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

She's a man.

SPEAKER_01

Her name's Fabby.

SPEAKER_02

Fabby.

SPEAKER_01

Fabby's bad. That's a bad name.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, it's not. It's so cute. Because her name is Flabby. Not Flabby, Fabby, because it's it's fabulous. It's like something fabulous. And so they call her Fabby.

SPEAKER_01

Doc and Flabby.

SPEAKER_02

You're so rude.

SPEAKER_01

That's your nickname.

SPEAKER_02

Ugh.

SPEAKER_01

Fabi and Flabby.

SPEAKER_02

You're annoying.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Anyway, back to the plane ride. Um, after. Uh, I was waiting. Okay, that was also the best thing ever because the boys came running up to me and giving me a big thing. That was really cute. That was that what made my day. Um, and then I was standing. And because you guys went to the car, took the stroller and got in. I went to go get the bags. And I was standing with the boys, and then a guy comes up to me. He's like, Hey, just want to let you know, like, I was sitting next, I mean, behind your wife and your boys, and they were great. I was like, Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02

Who do you think he was sitting behind?

SPEAKER_01

That's why I said I said, Which wife? I said, uh playing this from Utah, buddy, which wife was it? Yeah, you're like, I don't know. No, I I think it was I don't know. Because Wesson slept the whole time. But I heard Dean was getting into Harry Potter. Also, let's talk about this.

SPEAKER_02

He was really getting into Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_01

At what age is it appropriate for a kid to start watching Harry Potter? Dean is four. And now Megan has him deep in Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_02

Well, because she was she always listens to the books. And so, like, she's always listening to the book.

SPEAKER_01

She loved listening to the books.

SPEAKER_02

Like we get in the car book.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. And which is good because Dean is he's very good at like listening and comprehending things. Yeah. Like he can listen to a book and he knows what's going on.

SPEAKER_02

Like the narrator will like say a word and he'll be like, What is that?

SPEAKER_01

Which I love. That's great.

SPEAKER_02

No, that's amazing. He's very potter. Harry Potter's amazing. It's a ch it's a children's book.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, Megan was a nerd when she was little. And I think Dean's gonna be a little four-eyed nerd just like him, just like her.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you wanna know what I can think of worse things.

SPEAKER_01

No, she was cute though. She was a cute little nerd.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and Taylor, when he lived in Brazil for three years, you wanna know who he said his best friend was?

SPEAKER_01

Who?

SPEAKER_02

Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_01

Old Harry?

SPEAKER_02

Harry. And this was before the movies. So he was just like the books.

SPEAKER_01

Those guys 12 books that sitting in the a room in Brazil, just reading Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's lonely.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. No, he said it was the loneliest time of his life.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But he had Harry.

SPEAKER_01

You know who so my loneliest time of life was for sure at Brown. Like probably my first two years. First year for sure. For me, always the office.

SPEAKER_02

Really?

SPEAKER_01

The office.

SPEAKER_02

You know, I've never seen The Office all the way through. I've seen like a handful of episodes.

SPEAKER_01

That's like a very offensive. I think of my family. It's like I have my immediate family, have my in-laws, and like the office truly feels like part of my family. Like I feel like I know them.

SPEAKER_02

So did you like the way it ended? Because I feel like some people didn't like the way the office ended.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because season seven is when Michael leaves, and then season eight is like the first season without him, and they brought in some weird guy named I don't know his real name, and uh I think he was he's on one of your shows that you like. Um but I didn't like him. He was Robert California. He was a little weird, a little different vibe. And then they had Andy take over as the boss after Robert California left, and then he really tried to beat just like my Andy. Because he's really quirky, very similar to um why didn't they have Jim take over? Because Jim went to go to his own job. I mean, tried to start his own company and everything. His name is let's see, he was on the office, Robert California. What is his name?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, show me a picture.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, this guy.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, David Spade.

SPEAKER_01

David Spade. Do you like him?

SPEAKER_02

Um, in some things I like him, in some things I hate him.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he was just an interesting.

SPEAKER_02

Have you ever seen Boston Legal?

SPEAKER_01

I that's what I think I know him from. I've never watched it, but I suspect you like that show.

SPEAKER_02

It is so funny. It's like kind of like office vibes. It's I feel like it's like suits and office mixed. Where it's like it's a law firm and they're like dealing with like some serious stuff, but then it's like so funny.

SPEAKER_00

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02

And it's there's the guy from Miss Congeniality is in it.

SPEAKER_00

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02

And he like has like a little bit of like dementia.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And literally, like, it's old, but it's so funny. I sit there and laugh out loud. And like they just like could never make a TV show like that. Now, like it would get canceled so fast because they make the most racist, like misogynistic jokes, but for some reason it's so funny. Am I gonna get canceled for saying that? Probably will, but it's so funny though. It's good.

SPEAKER_01

But even there's jokes on Office that you could not make today. Yeah, but they're so funny, they're so great. They're funny. I miss the office.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe you should try Boston Legal.

SPEAKER_01

Probably not.

SPEAKER_02

It's it really is good.

SPEAKER_01

I'm very stubborn with shows.

SPEAKER_02

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

I have to like discover it myself.

SPEAKER_02

That's so annoying.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. It's just tough. Because I like because I will give it like an episode, and usually you have to watch an episode a show longer than one episode to like really get into it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02

I feel like you would actually like Boston Legal because the first episode, you're like, what is this like shit show? Like it's so funny, and you're like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_01

Really using that S-word.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Shannon's not gonna be happy.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but I'll have to check it out. But anyway, it's just kind of funny how there's certain things that like become like your comfort thing. What was yours? What was yours? Like, when was the loneliest time in Amy's life? And what was your comfort thing? Have you ever been lonely?

SPEAKER_02

No, I feel like I don't get lonely.

SPEAKER_01

Well, because you're always with at someone's house.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And if you do get lonely for like a day, you just go back to your house.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Like it's just a good thing, but my comfort shows are like any of the Real Housewives franchises or Friends.

SPEAKER_01

Friends is a good one. Friends, I when Megan and I first got married, she got me, we she got us watching Friends, and that's that was fun. Yeah. So it reminds me of Rhode Island and like our first year of marriage.

SPEAKER_02

Speaking of Rhode Island, I need you to watch Real Housewives of Rhode Island because I want to know, because you lived there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I want to know, like, if that's what it's like? Yeah. Not like what it's like, but if you're like if they're portraying Rhode Island.

SPEAKER_01

With like a thick accent going?

SPEAKER_02

Some of them do, some of them don't.

SPEAKER_01

I love that the Rhode Island accent.

SPEAKER_02

Like Alicia, she's my favorite housewife. She's like, I love a cracker. She always has to have a cracker.

SPEAKER_01

It's coffee.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, their accents, like, you can tell tell they have an accent, but it's like not quite Boston, but it's not quite New York. Like, it's just it's so different.

SPEAKER_00

It's unique.

SPEAKER_02

Like, what did she say? She said something at the reunion, and Andy was like, What? Oh, she was trying to say almond. And he like couldn't understand what she was saying because she was saying it in her accent. And she was like, Oh, almond.

SPEAKER_01

Anyway, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I do want you and Megan to watch it because I want to know if you're like, yeah, this is like they were like portraying Rhode Island, because like sometimes in Real Housewives of Salt Lake, the way they talk about Utah, I'm like, I don't know what Utah you're living in. That's not Utah. Yeah. So like I want to know if that's how it is.

SPEAKER_01

Which I don't know if I'll be able to give a real answer because I was like in college, you know, so it's kind of like a different perspective, but you know.

SPEAKER_02

Is it true that Rhode Islanders think that if you have to drive more than five to ten minutes, it's like far they think it's far away.

SPEAKER_01

I would probably agree with that.

SPEAKER_02

Because I mean Because like Alicia had to drive like 30 minutes, and she was like, I can't, I can't drive that far. That's too far. I'm not driving that far.

SPEAKER_01

Probably. I would I probably agree with that.

SPEAKER_02

30 minutes for us, that's normal.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's close.

SPEAKER_01

30 minutes, especially in Dallas. That's like that's that's my daily commute. That's nothing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, everything is pretty close there. I mean, it's just such a small state. If you go from Providence, if you go 30 minutes one way or like 45 minutes the other, you're out of the way. In a different state, yeah. Yeah. So anyway. Um I think maybe I'll watch it once we move in to the house in Dallas when I'm with Megan again, and then we can start watching it together.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's good. You guys should do that.

SPEAKER_01

Um, and then last night when we got in after dinner, we went to the house. What was your honest take? What do you think of the house?

SPEAKER_02

I loved it because I love driving just like through neighborhoods and like looking at all different houses and just like imagining like what people's lives that are like living there and like interesting, kind of like cosplaying, like, oh, like what if I lived in that house? Like, what would I be doing? What would my life be like, type type of thing? So I love doing that. I love just like driving through random neighborhoods and looking at houses. And I haven't seen the house in person ever, besides last night. And so I've just seen like pictures and videos that Megan has showed me, and then like all like the like sketches or whatever, like the architectural sketches of for the remodel. So walking it last night, it like kind of like brought it to life a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I was like, oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, that's the kitchen, and that's this is like the corner window that she always talks about, and like stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I I love it, I think it'll be great. I'm excited for my room.

SPEAKER_01

Excited for your room? I mean, you're literally he'll have a room.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And the nice thing, it'll be like on the other side of the house, so you'll like be very separated, so you won't like hear the kids at night and stuff. So that'll be great.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean, I don't care. I didn't hear the kids last night.

SPEAKER_01

I mean they didn't mean on my cot.

SPEAKER_02

The cot actually was surprisingly really comfy.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, it's not a cot, it was a roll away. It's a call bed. A cot? Do you know what a cot is?

SPEAKER_02

Is that not a cot?

SPEAKER_01

Have you ever been you know like a camping cot? It's like it folds out and it's just like a little platform thing.

SPEAKER_02

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

And then they put you're just like a very thin, like people just put like their sleeping bag on top.

SPEAKER_02

Oh. Okay, so sorry, it was a roll away.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's really and it was like a very nice twin mattress.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, it was I was kind of like, ooh, like is it because it I've slept on some not comfortable roll away. Like you can feel every single step.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like as the youngest, that's where you're always.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you're always just like either on the couch or on the pullout or on the cot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but no, it actually was really comfy. Like I had an amazing night's sleep.

SPEAKER_01

Good. But um, I guess back to the house. Was there anything you did not like? What was like your least favorite part of the house? Okay. You gotta respond sometime today.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. The yard.

SPEAKER_01

You didn't like the yard?

SPEAKER_02

No, I love your land. The yard needs some work.

SPEAKER_01

As far as just like like you can just tell, like they've they never taken care of it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

One thing I'm dreading is the trees. Well, I'm excited to mow. I I love doing yard work.

SPEAKER_02

Are you gonna get a push or are you gonna sit? You need a sit. A push for that thing?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that would take me so long.

SPEAKER_02

Did you know this might be shocking to some people? What did you know that I used to mow? Oh, you weren't ever in the family in our old house. Okay, so in our old house, we had a big backyard and it was two levels. And so, like the floor level, like the ground level was like this big patch of grass, and then up was a patch of grass, and then that we had like a big waterfall waterfall with a rock bridge over, and then we had like a tramp and another patch of grass. Um, so it was like pretty big. Like you needed to sit for a mower. I used to mow the lawn. I used to sit on No, you didn't. I used to sit on the John Deere. Dear John? What is it? John Deere?

SPEAKER_01

Dear John.

SPEAKER_02

That's where you write a letter, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. I used to sit on the Deer John.

SPEAKER_01

John Deere. You freaking idiot.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_01

What is it again? John Deere.

SPEAKER_02

John Deere John.

SPEAKER_01

John John Deere. John Deere. A Deer John is like a letter. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

I used to sit on the John Deere.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

And then Michael would get the the stick one, the hand one.

SPEAKER_01

The edger.

SPEAKER_02

The edger, and he would edge.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, I'm actually impressed. Didn't any of the other sisters do that?

SPEAKER_02

No. And then also in this old house, Michael decided one day he was gonna build a garden. Built a garden. You wanna know who sanded it, stained it, and painted it?

SPEAKER_01

No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_02

Me.

SPEAKER_01

You sanded it?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I actually don't think I sanded it. We should have, because like I feel like a couple months later it was like all starting to peel off. But I did stain and paint it.

SPEAKER_01

I'm genuinely impressed. I'm more impressed that you'd mow the lawn. Like, how long did this last? Was this like a one-time thing, or would you do it every Saturday? How much is your allowance?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know, like 20 bucks for the weekend.

SPEAKER_01

It's pretty good. Wow. I'm actually shocked that you mowed the lawn.

SPEAKER_02

That that was like my chore.

SPEAKER_01

I only ever had a push my work growing up. So like our our you went to my parents' house, like it's a big yard.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So that sucked. It would take me like four hours every Saturday. That sucks. But no, I will definitely have a rider. And I need to get a lot of things. I need to get the blower, the edger, I need to get a chainsaw, and you start cutting down some branches.

SPEAKER_02

Some of some of the branches on those trees.

SPEAKER_01

Some of the trees are rough. Because if you pay someone, it's gonna be a lot. But yeah, anyway, enough. I guess enough about all my chores I have for the house, but but you liked it. You thought it was a good spot.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think it's really pretty.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm excited. I'm just excited for it to be done.

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm. It's close.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I hope.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I just feel like I hope it's close. Now it's like it's like, okay, now full steam at type of thing. Yeah. Now just like just like get it done.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, start getting things in place. Mm-hmm. Well, actually they need to stay in the floor, do the floors and then I'll be like, Yeah. Get things done.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Once they get the floors in, I feel like then and they can like paint and stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But then it'll go by really quick.

SPEAKER_01

But also going back to your room, the plan was for you to come in more often, but I think you're never gonna come now.

SPEAKER_02

That's not true.

SPEAKER_01

Because you have a horse.

SPEAKER_02

Well, maybe I'll meet someone tomorrow and me and my horse will be coming to Dallas.

SPEAKER_01

That would be crazy. Like, would you legit move to Dallas or move anywhere for a guy?

SPEAKER_02

Like for a guy like that I'm not dating?

SPEAKER_01

No, for your dating. Say you met someone like here in Dallas. Would you move here to start dating him? Like, seriously?

SPEAKER_02

I would do long distance first, like come in on the weekends or him come to Utah for the weekend, see how it goes.

SPEAKER_01

For like what, two or three months? Or like six months.

SPEAKER_02

Well, okay, this is the the other thing with Mormons. It's like I feel like normal people, or not normal people, but like people who aren't Mormon, that is like the ne it's like, okay, one of us is gonna move, and then you live together. Yeah. But then like I would just move here and like live alone.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you would live at our house.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_01

You wouldn't be living alone.

SPEAKER_02

I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01

Which I would actually dread.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, that's so rude.

SPEAKER_01

Our house would be a disaster.

SPEAKER_02

Your house is gonna be a disaster because you have two little kids.

SPEAKER_01

That's true.

SPEAKER_02

So I actually don't know because I feel like it would be weird. Like, I feel like my mom and dad would not let me move for a guy unless we were engaged, and like we're gonna be living in Dallas once we get married.

SPEAKER_01

Shannon was ready to get Megan an apartment in Rhode Island.

SPEAKER_02

Was she?

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

I don't remember this.

SPEAKER_01

When we were dating, if we were gonna wait, because at the beginning everyone's like, slow down, maybe don't do the wedding, like in October, that's pretty quick.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And so Shannon was like, I'll just get Megan an apartment in Rhode Island, and then she can go stay there.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so then maybe she wouldn't mind. I just feel like knowing maybe Michael, maybe I'm thinking more Michael would be like, you're not moving to Dallas to go date some guy, like you're not engaged, type of thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I don't know, maybe they'd be like, please get out of here.

SPEAKER_01

I think if you were, if you were like set on like this is the guy I want to be with forever, I think they would do anything you wanted.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, probably, because I've never like ever felt like that.

SPEAKER_01

But if you were like, uh, you wouldn't yourself, you would never even do that.

SPEAKER_02

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I feel like if you were like, this is the guy I want to be with, they would do whatever you wanted.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I yeah, I would agree with that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I feel like Shannon's like that with anything though. Like if you like, if you're ever committed to something and you want to do it, she's very supportive to just be like, Yeah, she's very supportive. I'll help you do it. You know what I mean? But anyway. Um so how are we feeling about Relative from Hell? We've done it twice now. I have another one. Do we like it? Do we not hate it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I mean, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like you don't like it.

SPEAKER_02

I'm just like indifferent on it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, then that's not good. I you should we should only do it if you actually like it. We are paying for this time to be here, and you are not effing yawning while we're here. Um drink your freaking monster and wake up.

SPEAKER_02

Um, no, let's do it. Tell me the story.

SPEAKER_01

Nope.

SPEAKER_02

Why?

SPEAKER_01

You said you didn't like it.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't say I didn't like it. I'm just like indifferent.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, fine. We'll make this one really quick.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, go.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. This is about Cynthia Chabaka. I don't know how to spare your last name. It's C-D-E-B-A-C-A. How would you say that?

SPEAKER_02

I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, me neither. Cynthia lived in a granny flat at the home of her daughter.

SPEAKER_02

Where is this at? What state?

SPEAKER_01

Don't ask me.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Well, you read the article.

SPEAKER_01

I know, but I don't remember all the details. So on the morning of Cynthia's 63rd birthday. So she's the grandma.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I got it. Okay. She lives in the granny flat or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. Um, her son-in-law. Wow, uh, Jeffrey. Okay. Made a rude comment about her outfit and told her to change.

SPEAKER_02

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

This is what her son-in-law.

SPEAKER_02

Would you ever, like, if you didn't like Shannon's outfit, would you ever be like, Shannon, I hate your outfit go change?

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely not. Could you imagine?

SPEAKER_02

No, like that's why I'm like, why would he say anything to her? Like, that's so weird.

SPEAKER_01

Wait, just wait.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Cynthia went upstairs, got a revolver, she had purchased two weeks earlier, and shot him five times.

SPEAKER_02

My gosh, Cynthia.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think Shannon would shoot me.

SPEAKER_02

She's not gonna shoot you, but she would yell at me. She might shoot you with some words.

SPEAKER_01

She would not be happy. But also, speaking of which, um you guys love to make fun of me for my style.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yesterday you were coming at me.

SPEAKER_02

Not because of your style, you just don't have that great of taste.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, taste.

SPEAKER_02

We were talking about cars, so it's like completely different.

SPEAKER_01

But you guys also make fun of my clothes sometimes too, like what I wear.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I make fun of Michael, I make fun of Taylor and Drew too.

SPEAKER_01

But Megan does too.

SPEAKER_02

Sometimes when you guys come down in a very questionable outfit, we're gonna be like, what the f are you wearing?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, but no. Why do I have such bad taste?

SPEAKER_02

Shannon threw away some of Michael's shoes, and I think he went and got them out of the garbage can.

SPEAKER_00

Good for him.

SPEAKER_02

And Shannon was like, wait, I thought I threw those away. And he's like, joke's on you, no, you didn't.

SPEAKER_01

He's the one that digs out the garbage, so he just pulled them right back out.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What? Okay, so tell me what part of my taste is so bad.

SPEAKER_02

Well, just because you were like, what car were we talking about again?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I like the new scout truck. Which Megan says looks like a Rivian truck.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and like you like the Cyber Truck. I just think they sound like that.

SPEAKER_01

I love the Cyber Truck. Like, I just like it because it's different. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02

And I think the Rivian, no offense if you have a Rivian.

SPEAKER_01

Rivian. Rivian? Rivian.

SPEAKER_02

Rivian. I just like I would never like look at it and be like, I want to buy that car. It's like the same how I thought like the Jeep truck is so like genuinely ugly.

SPEAKER_01

If it's not a BMW, you won't say, Oh, I want to buy that car.

SPEAKER_02

No, that's not true.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_02

No, that's not true.

SPEAKER_01

You're a snob.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not a snob. Okay, I'm a little snobby. But like if I'm gonna get like a suburban like that, like a big car.

SPEAKER_01

Like what? Suburban?

SPEAKER_02

A Rivian.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, the so not the truck, but the actual Rivian, normal car.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Like the SUV.

SPEAKER_02

I'd rather get a suburban. Like Chevy or a GMC or an Escalade. And it will do.

SPEAKER_01

But then you never have to go to a gas station.

SPEAKER_02

I don't go to a gas station anyway.

SPEAKER_01

I literally was about to say the same thing. I was like, yeah, it doesn't matter for you, whether it's electric or gas, like you or maybe never going to the gas station.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I am very spoiled in that way because Michael fills up my tank. I mean Sometimes. Sometimes he makes me do it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, good. I'm glad. I'm glad you have to do that.

SPEAKER_02

But the other day I did, I my my gas was pretty low, so I was like, I'm taking his truck. So then I took his truck.

SPEAKER_01

Like that would genuinely make me so mad. Wake up in the morning, about to go to work. My truck is gone. And then the other car has no gas.

SPEAKER_02

No, it had gas. It had like 50 miles left. That's a lot. You could get you could drive around Draper like 50 times.

SPEAKER_01

That's true. Luckily doesn't have to drive far. But like if it was me and I had to like drive 30 minutes to work, and then I'm running, I usually would probably be running right on time, and now I'd be late because you freaking took the car with gas.

SPEAKER_02

I just want you to know if you ever have a daughter.

SPEAKER_01

Like Well, if I have a daughter, it's gonna be a different story. Like you, I don't care about, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. We're talking about your daughter.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Like you will be doing that for your daughter. I genuinely Did you know a gas station after five o'clock is one of the most dangerous places for a woman?

SPEAKER_01

I could see it. No, I was gonna say that. Like, I'm okay with filling up Megan's gas tank because I really don't want her going to a gas station.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

By herself.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

So I get that. But it can be frustrating if someone Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

No, I'm sure Michael was like a freaking hell.

SPEAKER_01

And that's why I'd also love if Megan had an electric car, because then she'd never have to go, and I'd never have to go fill it up either.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but then like what if you like forgot to charge it? What if there's an outage? What if what if you did it?

SPEAKER_01

Trust me, trust me. We went through it with a with that Tesla.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, you guys did you did get her an electric car.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we had one.

SPEAKER_02

I hated that thing. Oh, I get I think this is the other thing why I hate electric cars. I get so nauseous.

SPEAKER_01

They have it takes a second to get used to it.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I feel like I am like in a rocket ship, like going outer space. Like I am like in a different, I'm like, oh.

SPEAKER_01

Go so fast.

SPEAKER_02

Like, not even when you're going fast. It just like even when you're driving, you're just like kind of like get like I'm even kind of getting nauseous just thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01

Like I could tell you were genuinely getting kind of sick right there.

SPEAKER_02

No, like just like thinking about it. I'm like, I don't like it.

SPEAKER_01

Oh I was kind of like watching you, you like slowly started like actually getting sick. You started like bracing yourself, and then I started your face kind of got a little flush right there. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's funny.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I think that's my biggest qualm with like electric cars because I I do get the older I get, I'm like, I'm not even that old, but I am getting nauseous. Like I get nauseous very easily.

SPEAKER_01

I used to not on your phone. We put the little dots. So if you're driving, do you get car sick when you're driving and looking at your phone?

SPEAKER_02

Not when I'm driving. Or if I'm sitting in the front or like close to the front, I'm fine.

SPEAKER_01

If I'm in the back, like No, there's little dots that you can put on your phone. It's like the accessibility feature.

SPEAKER_02

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

And people say literally you don't get car sick looking at it.

SPEAKER_02

Interesting. Maybe I should try that because driving to the airport. Shannon, Shannon, God lover, not a good driver. And I was sitting in the very, very back with the luggage, and like the stroller wheel was like right here in my face.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I saw a video. And you looked like you were going through it.

SPEAKER_02

And I was back there and I was like, don't throw up, don't throw up, don't throw up. Like I and Shannon and Megan were like, you're so quiet back there, like what's going on? And I'm like.

SPEAKER_01

No, there is a future.

SPEAKER_02

Shannon is like heavy on the gas, heavier on the brake. Like every five seconds, it's like.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. She's an opinionated driver too. Like she has her set ways, and if anyone else says to go do a different way.

SPEAKER_02

No, and then my favorite, it's like, you know how it's like you kind of know where the airport is, and like you know you're kind of getting close, and you're like, what exit do I take? And like normal people just like have it on their maps. Shannon's like, what exit do I take? What exit is it? And me and Megan were like, I don't know, like, do we need to pull it up? And she's like, I think I know where it is. I don't know. Shannon like doesn't believe in using maps.

SPEAKER_01

No, it's also embarrassing because you guys have been at the airport so many times. You guys can't remember how to get to the effing airport.

SPEAKER_02

I know how to get to the airport from the belt route. Not from the Salt Lake way.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_02

Because they're two different numbers, they're two different exit numbers.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I know. It's two different ways.

SPEAKER_02

And so I'm so used to it from the belt route that like I know how to get there from the belt route now without maps. If I'm going Salt Lake way, I need maps because like I don't know that way. And they're doing construction, so like everything, like all the normal exits are closed, and so now it's like the weird side exits.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That really just jump out at you.

SPEAKER_01

But you all like Megan. This is I mean, it's great though, because she's so just like trusting of me and just lets me just go. She gets in and she forgets about everything.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, passenger princess.

SPEAKER_01

But if you ask her to remember where we just went, she cannot remember anything.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, because she's a passenger princess. She shouldn't have to.

SPEAKER_01

I know, but like it's also concerning for like when she we move here and she's I want to ask, oh, where do we go, or do you know how to get to there? She's not gonna remember.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's what maps are for.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Because even like, yeah, I mean, I've lived in Utah my entire life. I map everything.

SPEAKER_01

I never ever use maps in Utah.

SPEAKER_02

I mainly use maps because I want to know the fastest way if there's traffic, if there's construction, and if there's a cop.

SPEAKER_01

That is nice the new feature with cops. I feel like that's kind of a newer thing last couple years.

SPEAKER_02

I am like so on it. If I see a cop, report.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. So you're one of those helpful souls out there.

SPEAKER_02

If there's traffic, report. Because I want people to do the same for me. And I believe like good karma. It's like when you're on the freeway and somebody's blinker is on and they're trying to get over, you let them in because that's good karma.

SPEAKER_01

You're so nice.

SPEAKER_02

Because then if you're ever in a pinch and you need somebody to let you in, they're gonna let you in.

SPEAKER_01

Look at you. Who knew? I would never guess that about you that you're reporting all that.

SPEAKER_02

I'm reporting it.

SPEAKER_01

I actually was wondering that the other day. I'm like, who is reporting all this? Because I started using Waze, and Waze is very detailed with all that. I'm like, who's taking their time?

SPEAKER_02

I've never used Waze.

SPEAKER_01

I wonder I think you would like it. I wonder if I should use because they have even more of like all the little reporting features. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02

So it's actually I'm like exclusively Apple Maps. I never use Google Maps.

SPEAKER_01

I don't like Google Maps as much, but Waze is Waze is really good.

SPEAKER_02

Interesting.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Um, we actually never finished our story here with old Cynthia.

unknown

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

How do we get so off track?

SPEAKER_01

He she came down and shot her son-in-law, and then that was it.

SPEAKER_02

I forgot about Cynthia.

SPEAKER_01

So Cynthia.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01

Then she reloaded it after she shot him five times.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh, this is like so depressing.

SPEAKER_01

She reloaded it and then shot him five more times. So he was still alive.

SPEAKER_02

Is he dead now?

SPEAKER_01

So she reloaded it again and shot him five more times. And after shooting her son-in-law 15 times. Glad you got the math there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Fifteen times is crazy.

SPEAKER_01

When investigators and questioned her, she said that if Jeffrey were still alive, she would do it again. She was convicted of first degree murder.

SPEAKER_02

Where where's the daughter?

SPEAKER_01

Um, I don't know. I don't know. But I just I made it short. I wanted to make it sh very short for this.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh, that's horrible. What a freak.

SPEAKER_01

So Cynthia shot Jeffrey some I can't say something 15 times, stopped using stopped twice to reload, prosecutor said she would, then went to breakfast casino, blah blah blah. Um details, like uh for more details for you. It happened on her birthday.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, you said that, her 63rd birthday.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. She um claimed her son-in-law was mean and abusive. Alu prosecutor said there were no documented domestic violence reports, so she was he was just mean. And her daughter reportedly did not hold ill will toward her mother after the conviction. So I think he must have been just a kind of a mean guy.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, but you don't shoot somebody because they're mean.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Fifteen times. That's crazy. And then the fact she's like, ah, I'm gonna go to Denny's, I'm a little hungry.

SPEAKER_01

So Jeffrey's sons believed his strong personality and his opinions about raising children contribute to this conflict. So pretty wild.

SPEAKER_02

That is really crazy.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna think twice about ever saying anything bad about Shannon's outfit.

SPEAKER_02

On her 63rd birthday, mind you.

SPEAKER_01

Emily's outfit or Rachel's. I never know my what might go down after that.

SPEAKER_02

My gosh. That people like I thought we were crazy.

SPEAKER_01

No, there's some wild people out there.

SPEAKER_02

Like, genuinely, there are crazy people out there. Like, I just want you to remember that. Next time you're like you guys are crazy, you guys whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01

When have I ever said that? And when whenever you're crazy.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I'll say you're psycho, actually. I do say that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Just remember you could like actually be in a family with like genuine psychos.

SPEAKER_01

You're really just kidding, and you know that.

SPEAKER_02

No, I know you're kidding, but I want you to remember like it could always be worse.

SPEAKER_01

I could be being shot.

SPEAKER_02

You have it so good.

SPEAKER_01

One time we're just gonna c come down with the revolver just to like remind you.

SPEAKER_02

Just to like just to remind you.

SPEAKER_01

Just to like you'll be polishing and be like, just to let you know, like it could be worse. So is this was that a threat?

SPEAKER_02

No, I would never threaten you publicly. We don't own guns. Unless you're gonna break into our house, then we have lots of guns.

SPEAKER_01

Oh. So that was interesting. Interesting way to say that.

SPEAKER_02

Well, don't break into our house.

SPEAKER_01

Um then I have a judge and jury, because we're almost out of time here. We only paid for an hour. Yes. This was this was new for us. We just wanted to try it out today.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I like it though.

SPEAKER_01

I know. Hopefully it turns out good. Um all right, this one. So this lady sent in an extremely long judge and jury. Oh. I wish I could read it all, but I think I would just bore everybody.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So I did throw it in chat to get her like a summary.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Give us the gist.

SPEAKER_01

So I'm sorry if to who sent us in that I'm missing some of the details, but like I didn't want to bore everybody with my terrible reading. So this woman was recovering from a difficult birth and didn't want visitors. Her own mom asked permission, stayed three days, bought groceries and diapers, and actually was helpful. So a month later, her in-laws came for an entire week without asking for how long they could stay. Oh her mother-in-law immediately demanded to see the sleeping baby, woke him up.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01

Shout out Emily. Oh, you never wake up very angry one time, repeatedly pushed the no-kissing rule, and never offered to help the exhausted mom. She even took the ba the baby into another room so she could be alone with him, criticized how the mother fed and swaddled him, constantly touched his face and hands, and asked whether she could watch her breastfeed. Because I guess she had some tips to give. That's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_02

That is so weird. Ew.

SPEAKER_01

Anyway, uh, later the mother-in-law complained that she was never allowed to be alone with the baby. The new mom hasn't spoken to them since and says she can't pretend it didn't happen. So basically, does she have the right to feel this way towards her mother-in-law?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I 100% agree. It's like uh I don't know. I feel like as the and my mom's talked about this too, to me, where it's like she is my mom, and she's like the mother-in-law to Megan. Like, she knows there's like a boundary there. Like her and Shannon, that's just like a different relationship. Like, my mom's never gonna stop step in with like those type of things. And I feel like that's I feel like that's like normal.

SPEAKER_02

I I think that is normal, but I do think that there are some like boy moms out there who are like, Well, why isn't it the same? Why can't it be the same? And it's like, well, it's just not.

SPEAKER_01

It's not like you're never gonna have the same relationship with the daughter-in-law, it's not the same.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so yeah, it that is just so weird that she's like, Can I watch you breastfeed so I can like give you some tips?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that'd be wild.

SPEAKER_02

Like, no, unless she's asking, like, he's not latching or something. Like, no one wants unsolicited advice. I know. So, like, unless it's solicited, don't give it.

SPEAKER_01

I was sitting with someone the other day, and she was about to have a baby, and she was like, um, so like, what advice do you have for new parents? I was like, Zero. I I just you got it. I just don't like when parents give tons of advice.

SPEAKER_02

Well, because also every child is different.

SPEAKER_01

Every kid is different, every parent is different, everyone has different like imaginations or ideal plans of how they want things to go.

SPEAKER_02

And so it's just like whatever you say, it's gonna go in one ear and out the other.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and it's like you're and then people get like they act like they know so much because they've had more kids or they've had their kids are older, and it's like you we have totally different lives, like yeah, and it's like what works for one isn't gonna work for the other.

SPEAKER_02

It's just like you figure it out as you go and you do the best that you can.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

That's the advice that I have for people.

SPEAKER_01

And if you need help or if you have specific advice that you want about something, then you then then you ask for it.

SPEAKER_02

Well, also, and like ask like I don't know, I I just think it's so bizarre. I would never ask like a stranger for advice.

SPEAKER_01

But I'm just saying, like a lot of people would just give it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And just like because they think they're being helpful, it's like a conversation, like I get it.

SPEAKER_01

It's like, oh, you're a new parent. Like, this is what you need to do. It's like, dude, shut the freak up. Yeah, no. Like, I don't know you, you don't know my kids, like keep it to yourself.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Unless I ask for it. But my dad does love to give lots of advice that I don't ask for.

SPEAKER_02

I love your dad though. That bugs me. I love Dick.

SPEAKER_01

Was that a play on words?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Anyway, well how was it in here?

SPEAKER_02

I actually really liked it.

SPEAKER_01

Well, hopefully, hopefully it turns out well.

SPEAKER_02

I think it will. Why would it not? Amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Anyway, well, um, that's episode 29.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh, I have a bug bite on my arm. I just felt it got really itchy.

SPEAKER_01

Great. Thanks for the thing.

SPEAKER_02

No, like you know how like sometimes like you don't feel a bug bite until you feel it, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's so itchy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Anyway, okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_01

So do you want to sign us off?

SPEAKER_02

Sure.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, wait. Also, the hotline is coming.

unknown

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01

I'm almost got it done.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just waiting for the phone thing to be delivered. We gotta figure that out. But and then we are gonna do we're gonna do it today, because this is kind of like a week in advance. We have to record a video. So whoever needs like a little pick-me-up or wants to like send someone a little gift. We're gonna do that. So people send those in if you have someone you want to like, you know, send a little something to from us.

SPEAKER_02

But what if somebody was like, I want you to like send like not hate mail, but like a video just bashing somebody? No, no, no. Like, what if somebody was like, send like a Starbucks to my mother-in-law who I hate and like leave like a note? That'd be hard funny. You suck. Enjoy the drink.

SPEAKER_01

That's a great idea. Like, just out of nowhere, like people just send us like their in-laws that they hate, and we send them like a mean note with a treat.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's actually funny. We should do that.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe it would like wake some people up.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna send one to I won't finish that.

SPEAKER_02

Who are you gonna send one to?

SPEAKER_01

People should can imagine.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And I'm sure you already know the answer to that.

SPEAKER_02

I'm imagining.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Okay, go.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

unknown

What do I say again?

SPEAKER_01

Just finish it with Welcome, the newscaster. Thanks for watching the episode. Okay, okay, okay, ready.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And that is our episode. Thank you so much for listening. We are your hosts, Amy and Zach, and follow us anywhere you get podcasts, Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, and we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_00

Bye.

unknown

All right.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Um

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