SPEAKER_00 0:00

We didn't bat each other, but the wedding made it so. Now we're stuck together with nowhere else to go. This is legally friends. We're in lost build family tea. Legally friends, y'all related to us.

SPEAKER_06 0:18

All right. We're back. Episode 19.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

And we have The Prodigal Son has returned.

SPEAKER_06 0:26

Yes, Emily is back. And Lori, in case you don't know, Emily kind of pops in and out sometimes. She's supposed to be a co-host, but she's pretty picky and choosy about when she comes on the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

No, I got fired. I got fired for a minute.

SPEAKER_06 0:41

No, you're supposed to come on last week, but you just said uh I'm not gonna show up after we were planning on it, but that that's fine. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

I'm a busy girl. I'm a busy girl. I came just for Lori. Oh bless you.

SPEAKER_06 0:55

I know. I did tell her about you coming on, and she's like, yeah, I want to come on for that. That's gonna be fun. So but before we get into it, I need to give an introduction to our guest. Lori Loenberg. Is that how you say your last name?

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09

Nice. Loenberg is one of the most recognized dream experts in the world. We were just talking about it. She just did Chloe Kardashian's show a couple weeks ago, which is pretty wild. Amazing. Very lucky to have you come from her show to our show.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:26

So thank you. Um, she has nearly three decades of decoding what our dreams are actually telling us. She's interpreted dreams live on the Today Show, on Good Morning America, live with Kellyan Ryan, The Bew, Dr. Oz, CNN, Steve Harvey.

SPEAKER_04 1:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:42

She's quite the list of things that she's accomplished. And uh we're super excited to have her on. And I was actually just looking at her new app that she just released, which is you can go on, you set up your profile, and you can start to tell it your dreams, and it'll like and then you set up a journal and it tracks your dreams and helps you interpret them of like what you know what you're doing, what you're thinking, and it's all coming basically like you're talking to Laurie. So it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

I need that.

SPEAKER_06 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

It puts you inside your dream after you go through the whole dream analysis process, it creates a snapshot of your dream and it puts you in the dream.

SPEAKER_06 2:25

It's pretty cool. So I'm getting that immediately.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Yeah, same. Dream chat with Lori. Dream Chat with Laurie, L-A-U-R I. Dream Chat with Laurie, available on Google Play and the Apple App Store.

SPEAKER_06 2:37

And I'll put the dis the link to that in the description as well. So people will be able to go and download it. So super exciting. Thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Yeah, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_06 2:47

So we have a quick question, just kind of get us going. Laurie, before we you like we get into the dream stuff, our our plan is to have you interpret some of our dreams. So you're gonna hear some of the crazy inner thinkings of us and what we're dreaming at night, which is frightening, especially coming from Emily. But I want to know how someone becomes the dream expert to the stars. Was there a single dream of yours that, like, or a single moment when you knew this was going to be your life's work?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

I well, yeah, I had no idea that a dream analyst existed. Didn't know there was such a thing. And there really wasn't when I began this. Um long story short, I've been very interested in my own dreams. I can remember them since I was two. I've been a very, very vivid dreamer my whole life. I would draw them when I was little. When I got older, I started documenting them, writing them down. And it wasn't until after my grandfather died that dreams became such an important role in my life because I had a dream where I knew he was he had died in the dream. This was two weeks after his death. And in the dream, we're walking arm in arm through an art museum. And I'm asking him what it's like where he's at. And he said, I can't tell you that, but what I can tell you is that it's secure. And he gave me a hug and he started walking up the staircase, and that's when I woke up. And I could smell his old spice, and I could still feel him like he was there with me. And that dream made me think, okay, something powerful happens when we sleep, and I wanted to know what this was. So that propelled me to study dream psychology. And I don't know if you want the whole career. Please, please, give me a few years.

SPEAKER_06 4:44

Yeah, absolutely. Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

So after I studied dream psychology, my husband, he's an entrepreneur and he's always starting businesses. And this was back in the 90s. I don't know how old you guys are, but back in the 90s, 900 lines were the thing, and most of them were psychic. And so he said, Why don't we do one that's a dream interpretation line? Something that actually is based on psychology and you know beneficial. And I said, Yeah, let's do that. So we we found a wonderful dream analyst with um a Jungian background, and we ran a lot of people through a 55-hour collegiate course in dream psychology. And we only chose the best ones to run the phone lines. We started promoting it on radio. Me and um the dream analyst who taught the course, we started doing dream interpretations on radio to promote the phone line, but this was like right at the end. We got in at the worst time, and so it would but whenever we'd get on the radio, the phone lines would explode because people want to know this stuff, but that wasn't the right venue for it. So over the years I would do radio. I got a call from The View, it was the first TV show I did.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Um, and it just started snowballing from there because the media watches the media, and then that you know, Good Morning America saw me on the View and said, Hey, come on. And so it just kept rolling. And since then I've written three books and I just launched my app, Dream Chat with Laurie. And I also do private consultations where you can set it up with me at my website, LaurieLowenberg.com. But Laurie Loenberg's hard to spell. So if you just Google Dream Expert, I'm first, second, and third one that comes up. Amazing.

SPEAKER_06 6:37

Yeah, that's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

That took my breath away saying all that.

SPEAKER_06 6:41

No, that's amazing. I mean, I imagine when you first got started, and even now I'm sure you get some pushback from people like, oh, what does that mean? What is being a dream expert, a dream um analyst? So, you know, when you tell people what you do, what's the biggest myth or pushback that you get?

SPEAKER_01 7:01

The biggest I do get made fun of, oh, you're a dream expert, you know, how can you possibly know? Well, this is based on years and years of study. Going back to Aristotle.

unknown 7:11

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

So so it is the comparative analysis of the content of your day and the imagery and emotions in your dream. So after all these years, yeah, we have a good understanding of how the dreaming mind works. And it's not random nonsense, it is a thinking process. There is a method to the madness of your dream. So everything in your dream is connected to you and what is going on with you right now. And it is the way your why subconscious mind is trying to help you problem solve, navigate, uh, focus on and achieve your goals. Um, get rid of that which does not serve you. It's it's your own built-in therapist, and ultimately no one really knows what's best for you than you. And your dreams tell you that. You just got to learn the language. It is a different language than the linear logical language we're using right now. It's a metaphoric, emotional language, also built on memories. So that's why you might dream of someone from third grade, you know, all of a sudden take a dream. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:20

Well, I'm I'm nervous now to hear what you think of my dream. I'm like actually scared. Oh, I'm like so excited.

unknown 8:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

It's fun.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

It's fun. It can seem scary, but once you get into the process, you know, I take your hand and we walk through each piece of the dream and make the connections, and it's kind of magical. Once you start making the connections, you start getting all these aha moments, and it's actually fun. It's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 8:44

Yeah, that's cool. I mean, I I know as you said, this is all like the dreams are part of you, and I'm thinking, like, I've had some crazy dreams.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

We all have big dreams had dreams that make us wonder about ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 8:56

But so what what does like a recurring dream mean? Like, I have these two dreams that are recurring all the time.

SPEAKER_06 9:02

Okay. Well, Emily, let's get into it then. Let's just get into your first dream. Do you want to do you want me to?

SPEAKER_04 9:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 9:09

Yeah, go into it.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

So I have two recurring dreams. Okay. One of them, I have like gum in my mouth, and I can't, I'm like pulling the gum, and it just more more comes in, and I'm like pulling it out of my mouth. I can't get it out.

SPEAKER_06 9:23

I have an answer. Can I say something? Uh sorry, I'm gonna interrupt a lot. I think that's just you and how much you talk. But anyway, keep going. Wait, can I just give never stop?

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Can I say what I think it means? And then Lori, you can tell me if I'm right or wrong, and then you can say what it actually means. Of course. So when she was telling me this yesterday, I said, to me, it sounds like you're trying to say something and either no one's hearing it, or like you yourself can't like actually get it out. That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Okay, what do you think? Let's dive in. So I I think you're both definitely hitting on what this is connected to, but let's let's really get into it.

unknown 10:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Okay, so first question: When did these dreams start and how frequent are they?

SPEAKER_04 10:12

I feel like it's every few weeks. And probably uh uh the last few years.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

The last few years. Okay, interesting. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, there's two main reasons we get recurring dreams. One is that it is connected to an ongoing issue. So for as long as the issue continues, so will the dream connect it to it. When the issue is resolved, the dream stops, it doesn't need to come back. The other reason is that it's connected to a recurring behavior pattern. These are usually the lifelong dreams. Like I've been having this dream for as long as I can remember. It's probably because it's connected to a behavior pattern you've had your whole life, and every time you exhibit the behavior, you get the dream. So now yours, you said only for a couple years now? Yeah. Okay. Now, when you're pulling the gum out, do you remember what you're thinking to yourself?

SPEAKER_04 11:08

Just like I can't, like I just gotta get it out. I just that's all I'm thinking. Like there's nothing deeper that I'm thinking about. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

It's just like I just have to get it out. Okay. Does that same thought apply to anything in real life? Is that a frequent thought you have about anything?

SPEAKER_04 11:29

Well, like what Amy said, like that I want to get something out. I I have no filter. Like I just say what I'm thinking all the time. Like, if you know me, you you know what I'm thinking and you know what I'm gonna say. Like, I don't keep anything in. So that's why I'm like confused about that. Okay, I don't feel like I have anything that I haven't said.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Okay. Then let's look at it in another way. But that thought process is still important because the dream thought is a very real thought that exists somewhere in real life. So is there anything else that you feel you need to get out? Is there like a project, an idea, something that always okay? And in the last couple years, anything in particular?

SPEAKER_04 12:15

I just started kind of doing like interior design and working on that creatively, like that kind of creative side that I've never really done before, but I've loved it and I've built a few houses and helped with the design of my own home, and I'm doing a few projects now.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

So maybe that's kind of like been my thing. Is there anything in particular that you've been having a hard time getting out in this respect? I don't know. Okay, there's more we can work with. So this is the interview process.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

See, I am not helpful.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

I'm like, it's not always gonna be immediate, it's an interview process. Okay, so now generally the the chewing gum dream is about communication and verbalizing something. But dreams are personal. So we're gonna do a little game. It's gonna seem silly, but just go with me. Okay. Okay. Pretend you're teaching a kindergarten class and you're teaching them about gum. What is gum? What is the nature of gum? Why do we chew gum? What is gum?

SPEAKER_04 13:23

Chewy makes your breath smell good. Um sticky. It's I don't know. I'm trying to think how I would explain it to like a five-year-old. Sticky.

SPEAKER_06 13:37

Or yourself.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Chewy. Okay, it can be messy. It can be now we're good. We're good somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Yeah. Okay. Sticky and messy are often things we use to describe situations that can be sticky or messy. Is there anything that you would describe as sticky or messy and you're having a hard time getting out?

SPEAKER_04 14:05

I mean, what's coming to my thoughts is I have a lifelong best friend that that I I've wanted to do interior design, but she gets she doesn't like that I oh my gosh, I shouldn't even be saying this on this podcast. But she doesn't like that I'm doing that and that I'm starting kind of this new project. And I've like wanted to talk to her about it, and she's, you know. So I wonder if that could be connected.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Can you connect the when this dream started to this issue? Yeah. Okay. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 14:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

It's gonna so so here's what you take from it because dreams don't just mean something, they have a takeaway because they're showing you your current situation in a different perspective so you can really understand it. That's why we speak in a picture language, we speak in metaphors to get our point across. Dreams work the same way. So this dream is showing you not speaking up to her about this, not having a conversation with her, is like having your mouth full of gum, and it's you it's bothersome, you can't get it out. You just you want it out, you want it out. Yeah, so that's gonna continue until this conversation is had. Okay. That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_06 15:24

Now I'm like frightened to do my own. Like we just got some deep-rooted stuff. That's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 15:32

Okay. So that's the magic.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

That's the magic.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Yeah, that is the m it yeah, it's actually crazy.

SPEAKER_06 15:38

Yeah, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 15:39

I I've been doing this for 30 years and I still get goosebumps. Yeah, no, that really is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 15:46

I mean, are you I mean, we'll obviously get into some other our own dreams too. Some more, I mean, besides Emily. But is there times where you are just like that? It's just a dream? Like there's nothing to it?

SPEAKER_01 15:59

No, no.

SPEAKER_06 16:00

Really?

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Shame on you.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

No, it's always connected to something. Always. That's can I tell you my second dream?

SPEAKER_06 16:09

Wait, Emily, just slow down.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Okay, okay. Well now I'm excited.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

Yeah, I know. It's not this. Isn't it the Emily show again, okay? I know. But I want to hear the answer. Sorry. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

So it you know, dismissing it as just a dream, it's just dismissing your whole psychology, dismissing your whole brain, dismissing your thoughts. So it's never just a dream. Now, it may not be about something, you know, really deep, but it will always be connected to something. It will have some kind of meaning.

SPEAKER_06 16:45

Yeah. That is like it's cool to hear, but I'm also like, uh it's kind of scary.

SPEAKER_04 16:52

Like your inner your inner thoughts workings, yeah. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Always your brain is always working. And your subconscious, look at your subconscious as a background app that's always in the background monitoring, gathering data on you, but for good purposes. And it will, as you go about your day, you know, it's taking notes, and when you're having a conversation, or maybe you're watching something on TV or you're struggling with something, the subconscious is like, oh, that's interesting. This is something we need to work on tonight.

SPEAKER_06 17:27

Is that I mean, just thinking through what we're taking in each day through you know, social media, obviously TikTok or whatever it is, and like how much do you control what you're consuming to try and be able to control your own subconscious because you know how much power that has. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Yeah, so you you actually have a lot more control than you think. And so think of your brain as something, uh, a pet that you want to feed the best food so it'll live a long life and be healthy and not have problems. So you want to feed it positive things. You don't want to do scroll, you know. You don't want to if if horror movies, you don't want that at bedtime, you know. You don't want to watch upsetting news, you don't want to involve yourself in drama, even though it can be fun. You don't want to get involved in things that are unhealthy. And so the more positive and healthy things you feed your brain, the more positive and amazing your dreams will be. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 18:33

And then that in turn is kind of like affecting your life in a way, is kind of what you're saying. That that that affects how your life's going.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

It affects that. You know, it's like what you focus on is what you feed. So if you focus on negativity and doom and scary things and things that upset you, you just feed the algorithm of your brain. It thinks, oh, this is what we like, so I'm gonna keep putting this in your algorithm.

SPEAKER_04 19:00

So do you think, do you think if you've if you're having a scary dream, like I've had dreams about like a kidnapper or somebody comes into the house or anything scary, is that based off something you've consumed?

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Like it can be based off something you've consumed or a situation that you're just in, or perhaps something from your past that still affects you today. So, you know, you can't avoid negative things happening in your life, but you can control how much you focus on it.

SPEAKER_06 19:32

Interesting. Emily, you want to dive into dream two?

SPEAKER_04 19:36

Dream number two. Okay. So this has been very recent, the last few weeks. I've had these dreams where my legs don't work. I'm like trying to get up and walk and run, and I'm like struggling. Like my legs, it's like I have no muscle in my legs. They're just like I can't get up, I can't move and run and walk. And I'm just like trying so hard to get up and I can't. Okay, and tell me your thought in the dream. My thought is that I need to work out, it's so dumb. That I need to work out more and get muscle because I can't like use my legs. I can't get up. Okay, that is more of like an exercise, like making my body strong type of thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Okay, so I need to work out. That is the thought in the dream. Okay, yeah. Okay, now it it could be as simple as is that something you've been thinking about lately in real life? I need to work out more.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

Yeah, it is. We always say that to each other. We're always like, we gotta start working out again. It could just be that, but let's see if it doesn't go deeper.

SPEAKER_05 20:38

Because dreams usually do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:40

I mean, for me, I think so. I've actually never said this publicly, so here we go. I microdose terzepatide. And I've had this thought lately, like, what if I'm losing all my muscle? I need to work out. I and I haven't been working out because I'm just on this. Oh, is that like a weight loss thing? I've not heard of that. Yeah, it's a it's a GLP one. Oh, okay. That I microdose. And so I have had this thought of like, I could what if I'm 80 and I can't walk because I've lost all my muscle and bone mass, whatever. So I wonder if it's something what if it's my body telling me, like warning me.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

It could be. It could I mean, is that a thing that could happen?

SPEAKER_06 21:24

Is that a possible like side effect, yeah?

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Yeah. It could be. Yeah. That's and it started about two weeks ago. Yeah. And when did you start this?

SPEAKER_04 21:38

Oh, like a year, like a year ago.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

A year ago. But you've only had But it's just recent.

SPEAKER_04 21:43

The dreams are recent.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

How long have you had it like thoughts?

SPEAKER_04 21:46

I've had it like five times. The same dream.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Okay. How often have w when did your thought about I could lose muscle tone on the case?

SPEAKER_04 21:56

I mean, it's always kind of been there, but I've just thought about it more lately. Okay. It it could be. I mean this is not that deep of a dream, but it's just Well, I mean if it's about your health, it's important.

unknown 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

It could be that. Is there anything else aside from this issue? Is there anything else you feel you need to work out?

SPEAKER_04 22:19

So many things.

SPEAKER_06 22:22

Especially over the last couple weeks, huh?

SPEAKER_04 22:25

So many things. Sister fights, like, you know. Could be anything.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Okay. Now the dream where our legs aren't working. Now are you sitting? Are you what what is your position in the dream?

SPEAKER_04 22:39

I'm like literally walking.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

You are walking.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

And I like fall, and then I'm like trying to get up and I cannot. And my legs do and I'm trying so hard in the dream to get up.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Okay. Is there any situation in the last couple weeks where you have not stood up for yourself? Yes. Do you want to share the details? Definitely.

SPEAKER_04 23:03

I don't know if I can share. Amy, can I share the details? No. No, I can't share the details. Okay. It's been a sister fight.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

Well, that that's what the dream's trying to help you with. That I need to stand up for myself.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

So, Xama, why are you not? Um There's actually a few different little situations where I can see that I would need to stand up for myself.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Yeah. Okay. So your dream is showing you this situation from a different perspective. So you're down, and that's a vulnerable position. And maybe even you're feeling put down. Yeah. You know. So your dream is showing you, you know, stand up.

SPEAKER_06 23:43

Wow. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

That that is so. You're like a psychic.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

Well, I'm I'm like thinking, like, why are we not all like recording or writing down? I mean, obviously your apps can help with this, but like writing down our dreams and then evaluating it.

SPEAKER_04 24:02

Yeah, dream at this now.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

Dream chat with Laurie. And that's that's the thing about my app that's different from other dream apps. First of all, it's built by an actual authentic dream expert, not chat GPT, which by the way, has scraped from my work.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Which is when Yeah, that's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

Okay. I'm get literally getting it right now.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Okay, bless you. I hope you like it. So I'm gonna love it. So it is built by an actual dream expert with 30 years of experience. Bless you. And it has the journal process, which is so important because at night it sends you a reminder, you know, fill in your day, and it asks you five questions about your day. You know, what was what didn't you focus on the most today? What happened today that was negative? What happened today that was positive? What kind of conversations, emails, or texts did you have today? Because these are the things that basically become the ingredients of your dream at night. So you fill in your day at night, you go to sleep, you have your dream, you wake up in the morning, you put your dream in. And it will pull, it will look at your journal first and make connections for you. And then it'll ask you questions. It's called Dream Chat with Laurie. So it's like having a conversation with me, and it'll be similar to what you've experienced so far. It's a conversation. We go back and forth, and then you get the analysis, and then you get the really cool picture of your dream with you in it. Oh, that's so cool. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_06 25:37

It's just like if it's part of our lives, just to try and figure out what's going on. I feel like we should be doing this because it's like what you've already shown with Emily, it's like, oh, there's certain things that she should be doing that would benefit her that her like it's like better than just trying to tell her. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

It's your built-in therapist. Oh, and at the end, when you're done with the dream, you gotta let it know, okay, I understand it now. So the brain will know, okay, we're done. Then you get dream wisdom. So it takes everything from your dream and gives you a piece of wisdom from it to take with you for your day. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 26:12

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Amazing.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

All right. Before we hop into Amy's dreams, um, I wanted to just run a couple like universal universal dreams by you to see like just quickly what these mean, just like off a basic, you know, off the top of your head without knowing what more detail, right? And obviously, people can now go talk to you pretty much through the app. But um, for example, a common one that people have is like their teeth falling out.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:43

What what is that? What you know, what type of dream is that?

SPEAKER_01 26:46

So archetypically, generally, without me pulling it out of you. Yeah. Generally, when you dream your teeth fall out, it means you've allowed something out of your mouth that should have remained there permanently. So you've said something that you can't take back and put back in your mouth.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

I've probably got how many times have you had that dream before?

SPEAKER_04 27:06

A lot, a lot. Because, like I said, I have zero filter and I just say what I think.

SPEAKER_06 27:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

Except for recently. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:14

Yep. It's the the the veneers are falling out. Yeah. Um, okay. Next one, being chaste.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Okay, being chaste. This is usually connected to a recurring behavior pattern. Well, S is the teeth dream. So when you're being chased in a dream, it means there's something in your real life you're avoiding. Maybe there's a confrontation you don't want to have. Maybe it's taxes. Maybe it's um a difficult person you're trying to distance yourself from. So the being chased dream happens when you're running rather than confronting.

SPEAKER_06 27:51

Interesting. And does it matter who's chasing you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Every detail in your dream matters. Everything, down to the color shirt you're wearing. Nothing's random in a dream. Your very wise subconscious mind carefully chooses every piece of the puzzle in order to give you the message. So whatever's chasing you, and also why they're chasing you, you know, are they chasing you to kill you? Are they chasing you to trap you, or you know, whatever the case is. Every detail matters.

SPEAKER_06 28:20

Are you supposed to turn around and face them or like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Oh, you are. In your dream. If you have the cognition that it's a dream, if you get to the point where you realize, oh, this is a dream, don't use that ability to get out to wake up and get out of it. Use that ability to talk to the dream. Turn around to that thing or person that's chasing you. Say, well, what do you represent and what are you trying to tell me? And you'll get an answer. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 28:49

Interesting. Okay. Uh next one, falling. Falling. I've had that a lot before.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Now, like the interesting thing about the falling dream is that they've even found cave drawings that they believe depict a falling dream. Oh, wow. Wow. So the falling dream will happen for one of a few reasons. It's usually when you feel you've when you've had some kind of setback. When you've had a let down. You know, you want to find yourself going up in a dream, like up a staircase, up an elevator. Upward movement usually represents progress. Downward movement usually represents things going in the wrong direction. This is a common dream for people who suffer from depression. And serves as a heads up. Hey, you might be falling into another depression, so prepare. So, yeah, the downward movement is what's at play. What in your life is going, would you describe as going down rather than up?

SPEAKER_06 29:48

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 29:50

And is it true if you hit the bottom, you die?

SPEAKER_01 29:56

I have not spoken to any dead people who told me that's what they were dreaming when they died. But I have spoken to many people who actually did hit the ground. Now, the reason I think the reason why this is such a myth that, oh, if you hit, you must die, is because 99% of the time you're gonna wake up before you hit. Because your body's reacting. The body doesn't know the difference between a dream event and a waking event, so it reacts the same. You get the adrenaline rush. And the only difference is that typically in REM dream sleep, your body is paralyzed. Your brain releases a chemical through your brainstem to your skeletal muscles to literally paralyze you so you don't get up and act out the dream. But the body will react the same. They'll still, you know, and wake up.

SPEAKER_06 30:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 30:49

Okay, last one from this quick uh segment. So showing up unprepared to like to our test or work.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Yeah, so so the unpreparedness is what's at play, whether it's a test or whatever. Somewhere in your real life, you're not feeling prepared for something big at hand. You know, are you not feeling like you're at work? Do you not feel like you're doing a good job? You're not prepared for it. Or are you being tested in some way? Is something testing your um patience? You know, in what way are you feeling tested, but not feeling like you can handle it?

SPEAKER_06 31:24

Interesting. No, and so why does this one always seem to go back to like school? You know, even decades after we've been out of school. Why is it always back to school?

SPEAKER_01 31:35

There's a couple reasons why, excuse me, why school is so common in our dreams and in this one in particular. One reason we get the school setting is because something's going on where we're learning. We're either learning a life lesson, or we're learning to be patient, or we're learning a new skill, or we're learning about someone new. There's some kind of learning at play in your real life right now. The other reason is, and I have found this in my 30 years of research, that school dreams most of the time, not always, but most of the time, are connected to your job or career. Because your job is school is your first job, and it's where you learn the dynamics of what it takes to have a job. You have to be on time, you have to be prepared, you know, have done your homework. Um there's social circles at job, and also you always want to be moving on up to the next level. So if you get the school dream, I recommend looking at your job or career situation first. And can you match, can you connect the stress and what's going on in what you're thinking to yourself in the dream to something going on with your job or in your career?

SPEAKER_06 32:47

Interesting. No, that's cool. Um, it's just kind of wild because when you say it, it all seems like so simple. You know what I mean? Like, of course it means that, but like you don't interpret it that way at all.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

Yeah, because you're thinking you're thinking with your awake brain when you're looking at your dream rather than thinking with your uh metaphoric subconscious brain.

SPEAKER_06 33:09

Yeah, that's cool. All right, Amy, you want to give us yours?

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah, okay, I have a few. So the first one I have had since I don't know, probably five years old. This is like my earliest memory from my childhood. Um, so it's about this guy that used to work with my dad, and it's in my parents' old, old house. And I still have it to this day, but usually only when I'm sick. But it he's like, he's trying to kidnap me in my dream, and he's like, I have so many details about this because it's like I can still see it so vividly in my head. So in my parents' old, old house, they had a balcony, and I'm taking a nap in their bed, and I hear this weird noise, and I wake up and I go lean over the balcony, and it's the guy who works with my dad, and he is like using like suction cups to get up the side of the house to climb over the balcony to get me. So I go running downstairs, my whole family's in the kitchen, we're making spaghetti for dinner, and I'm like, You guys, blank is like coming into the house like he's trying to kidnap me. And they're like, No, we know him, he's such a great guy. Like, he would never do that. And I'm like, No, you guys, like, you're not listening to me. He's trying to kidnap me. And they're like, No, like you just had a bad dream. Go back upstairs and go to bed. So I go back upstairs and I lay down, and I can still hear like him like suctioning cup up, and then he like climbs over the balcony, and I always wake up at that point when he's like climbing over the balcony. Ooh, wow.

SPEAKER_06 34:57

So the details are crazy.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

And it's always the same each time. Yes, exactly the same. Interesting. And it started when you were five. Yeah. And how frequently do you get it?

SPEAKER_03 35:10

I got it a lot more when I was younger. Now I usually only get it when I'm sick and have a fever.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Oh, interesting. It's become a fever dream. Okay. Well, let's start with the guy and figure out why your subconscious is using him. Is there anything significant about him that was a problem, or does it seem random that he's in the dream?

SPEAKER_03 35:33

No, so I remember going to my dad's office and I would like hang out. I I called it like he was like, I was I would go to daycare with my dad. That's what I called it. And um, I would just like hang out in the street. She still gets a daycare. Yeah, I still go to daycare with my dad because I work with my dad. Yeah. Okay. So I would like hang out in his office, and I was I mean, I was five. So I was like, oh, his receptionist who was a girl, she's my best friend. And like I would hang out with her, I would hang out with some other lady, and I would tell them, I was like, I told them when I had the dream, I was like, you guys, I had this dream about the guy who worked in the office, and he like kind of creeps me out for some reason. And they were like, Yeah, like we get it. Like he he kind of creeps us out too a little bit. But like he never, he never did anything. He just did anything to me, never did anything to them. Okay, but for some reason, I have oh, even to this day, if I see him, I like a little part of me is like, Oh, I'm scared of you.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Okay, very that's good data you just gave. All right. So here's a really cool thing about dreams. The first time we ever experience something significant, whatever, whoever causes that significant feeling will forever become the face of that. It like becomes imprinted into our psyche. So he has become the face of creepy vibes, very likely.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

You might get this dream when you've got a bad feeling about something or someone.

SPEAKER_05 37:18

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

And the way he's coming up to get you. Oh, every time you have this dream, does it start with you waking up in your parents' bed?

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Okay, that's significant. When you wake up in a dream like that, it's because in real life, in real life, you've had a sudden awakening realization. Oh so this could be the awakening of your radar. There's something or someone I'm dealing with right now that feels off. That's kind of helping me out. So this dream's good for you.

SPEAKER_05 37:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Letting you know, okay, we need to be on guard with this person. And the way you the section cups is a very interesting detail that for my own curiosity I want to figure out.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Okay. When have you ever d does that remind you of anything in real life?

SPEAKER_03 38:10

No. Like I anytime I see a section cup, I always look like I'm always like, oh, that wasn't my dream.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Like I don't But before the your dream chose that for some reason. So do you remember seeing a movie where someone climbed a wall like that?

SPEAKER_03 38:32

I mean when I was five. Like I feel like when I was little, I would always watch like Scooby-Doo. Oh. That's what's like coming to my mind right now. I don't know if they ever use it. Probably if that's where your brain went anything.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Yeah, if that's where your brain went, you probably saw that.

SPEAKER_06 38:51

So random.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

So the villain. Okay, now now we'll go a little bit deeper because I'm still curious because I think we're getting there. Okay. Um explain to a five-year-old like why someone would use a suction cup to climb.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

It's like it sticks to something and it grips. So you can kind of like leverage it, pull yourself up, and then rip it off and do it again so you can like get higher and higher.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Okay. I think that might be what the message is for you in the stream. That that, you know, elevating yourself, getting higher and higher is probably the advice. Something's going on, or someone's in your life right now that seems off or toxic, so you need to elevate yourself above it. Don't let it grip you. Hold on to you. You gotta rise above this.

SPEAKER_05 39:50

Okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

That is crazy. I thought you I thought you were gonna say, yeah, he he is creepy, like your five-year-old self just like somehow knew.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

No, he's he's become a a the face for anything in your life that doesn't feel right. It's gonna next time you get the dream, scan your life, scan your current life. Okay, what or who makes me feel the same way this guy does? And then use it. You know, that's probably your intuition at work saying you gotta be careful about this. Be careful how it's like a warning. Yeah, yeah, dreams will alert us to something that's not right, but you gotta pay attention to them. Yes. Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 40:40

Amy, do you have another one?

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Yes. Okay, so this has been more recently. Um, so my mom's parents passed away two years ago and a year ago, and I was very, very close with them. And lately, like the last few months, I've been having dreams that my papa specifically is like sitting there. Like one of my dreams that I've had a few times now, I like walk in to go to lunch at a restaurant, and I'm meeting my whole family there, and he's sitting at the table, and I like stop in my tracks, and I'm like, wait, Papa, like you died. How are you sitting here right now? And he's like, No, I'm here. And I like go up and hug him, I kiss him on the cheek, and I can like feel oh, I'm gonna cry. Oh no, I can like feel his cheek and like smell him in my dream. Yeah, and like I just want to sit there and talk to him, and then I always wake up.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

Yeah, I think that's him letting you know what he said. I'm here, I still have a place at the table in your life. I am here. And you smell that's that's exactly how my dream was about my grandfather. I smelled him, and he gave me the message you know, where I am is secure.

unknown 42:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

So they yeah. I firmly believe that those that have passed on can communicate with us while we're in the dream state. That doesn't mean every time you dream of a loved one that's deceased that it's them. Um a lot of times they'll symbolize something else. But you know those contact dreams feel different, right? It's it's like not just a dream dream, it feels much different. It's much more vibrant, it's much more real. And here's why I think scientifically. Um science teaches us that everything that exists exists as an energy. And that energy travels in waves: light waves, sound waves, microwaves, radio waves, you know, our brain and our heart works in waves. You can measure them with the EKG and the EEG machines. So if consciousness survives bodily death, which I believe it does, this the body's just the vessel. Just like the radio is just the vessel that captures the radio waves. That's how the body is. So when you're asleep and you enter REM sleep, it's like it's the perfect frequency of brain waves, REM, that allows you to tune in to meet the consciousness that still exists of your loved one. Because their consciousness is energy and it's still existing, and it will travel in waves. So you're tuning into them. So it they're coming inbound to give you a message. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 43:56

That's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

I've never had a contact streamer. Anything like that before. It may happen someday.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

I hope it does. You'll know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:07

That's cool. Amy, was it a little more?

SPEAKER_03 44:11

I have one more and totally switching gears from my sweet papa dream. I I have this dream actually a lot. And it's not ever the same, but kind of. So it's always like somebody's trying to kidnap me or like something bad is happening. And in the dream, I'm like so scared. Like I can like feel it. It's like so tangible almost. Like how scared I am. And I like physically stop in my tracks in the dream. And I think to myself, why am I so scared? This is a dream. And then I'm like, I know this is a dream. Like, wake up, wake up, wake up. And then I wake up.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Bad girl. Okay. So when you realize you're in a dream that's called lucidity, you're having a lucid dream when you have the awareness. And it's one of the absolutely coolest states of consciousness that exists because you're awake and asleep at the same time, and you're in your conscious mind and your subconscious mind at the same time. And usually, for most people, they become lucid when they're in a nightmare or a bad dream. And they use it like you to get out. But you got to stay in there.

unknown 45:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Because you got to take advantage of this amazing state of consciousness. Because, first of all, you can do anything. You can fly, you can make your favorite celebrity appear before you. You can what I always tell my clients is ask questions. So you started off right. You know, why am I scared? Stay there and ask. If if there's someone in the dream, ask them, or if it's just you in the dream, just ask the dream.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

You know, like now in your dream, someone's kidnapping you, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:09

Yeah, like that's what it feels like. Like, but you never see them? I never see them, but I know I'm in a scary situation that I'm like trying to get out of.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

Okay. All right. So let's say you're in the dream right now and you suddenly realize, oh wait, I'm dreaming. Okay, Laurie told me to stay here. What is your next question? You have an opportunity to talk to your subconscious mind. Why are you gonna ask it right now?

SPEAKER_03 46:37

Oh, I don't know. That's like so hard. I would let me think. I don't know, because it's hard because like nothing's like I feel like nothing's around me in my dream. Or I'm just like in like a So you're just like running? Yeah, like not like a forest, but like a like a park almost. Like there's grass and there's tree like big trees, but like there's I can't see anybody chasing me, and so I always stop and I'm like, why am I so scared? And then I like say I like I'm just standing there in the field, and I'm just like, K wake up, K, wake up. And then eventually I wake up.

SPEAKER_04 47:17

Could it be about like your dating life? Like you're running away from any kind of dating?

SPEAKER_06 47:22

Like Of course you turn into that.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

I know, and always maybe stay stay there. You already started the question. Why am I scared? So so stay there and wait for the answer. Okay, what am I scared of? Why am I running?

SPEAKER_03 47:38

What should be my next question?

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah, and then see what kind of answer you get. Now, here's the interesting thing about asking questions in a lucid dream. You'll you'll you will get an answer. Sometimes it will be in words, well, Amy, because you know. Or it might show up in an answer symbolically. So I'll give you an example. So I have this client, and she is always finding herself in her childhood home. But she tends to get lucid from time to time. So she did what I told her. Next time you find yourself in that home and you find yourself lucid, ask. And so she did. She goes, Why am I here again? And nothing happened. So she walked outside and then a bird hit her in the face and she woke up. And so I said, Well, that's your answer. And she's like, But how? I said, Well, we have to dig. And I said, Does that remind you of anything that's ever happened to you in your life? And she goes, Well, yeah, actually, when I was little, I had a pet parakeet, and it one time flew and hit me in the head. And I said, Okay, what happened then? And she said, Well, I picked it up and I said, Hey little girly. So, long story short, hey little girly was her answer. She keeps allowing herself to be treated like a child rather than standing up and adulting. And that's why she keeps winding up in her childhood home and her dreams. Because she hasn't allowed herself to move out of that mindset of being a child. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 49:18

That's crazy. Uh, Amy, anything else you wanted to add to that? Are you good?

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Well, okay, this isn't reoccurring, but this happened. Well, I because now I just like I want to know all my dreams. I have some crazy dreams. This happened like two months ago. I had it, I had it twice in a row that my friend was pregnant. And she hadn't announced anything. Hadn't I hadn't seen her in a couple months, and so when I woke up the next day, I texted her and I was like, Kimberly, I I've had this dream twice now that you're pregnant. Are you pregnant? And she was like, I literally found out yesterday that I was pregnant.

SPEAKER_06 50:00

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

Did you know she was trying, or was this an unexpected pregnancy? No, I had no idea. Okay. So let's talk about this sort of dream. Um, I think this would probably be considered a precognitive dream. Well, no. Because you didn't necessarily wait. When was it you first started dreaming that she was pregnant?

SPEAKER_03 50:28

Um, like two months ago. She she found out like right at five weeks. So I had this dream. Probably around the time she conceived. Um, no, I had I'm trying to think. So I had the dream like two days before. And then I like didn't say anything because I'm like, that's so random. I'm not, I'm not gonna text my friend and ask her if she's pregnant, like that's so dumb. And then I had it again like a couple days later, so I was like, okay, whatever. I'm just gonna text her. So I and she was like, I literally just found out either she either found out that day or the day before.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Okay, alright. I'm gonna go with that it's precognitive. Okay, which is um you have a dream about something before it happens, and then the event you dreamt about happens, and that usually the event happens within days or weeks of your dream rather than like months and years down the road. So you and I had you you gotta watch the Chloe in Wonderland podcast I was on because I had a precognitive dream that involved her, and we talk about it, it was very interesting. Okay. So we also talked about, and we'll talk about it now, like why that happens. Like, how does how does the brain know about something that's in the future? So there's something called, tell me if you've heard of it, the block time theory, or it's also called eternalism.

SPEAKER_03 51:59

I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Okay, so it's connected, it's an Einstein theory, and it's connected to his theory of relativity, where time passes relative to where you're positioned in the universe. So this theory is that everything that ever has existed and ever will exist actually does exist all at the same time, but where it happens are kind of like different coordinates. So think of your life as a film strip, a movie film strip. Every part of your life, from birth till the day you die, all exists on this film all at the same time, it's all there, but you're only able to perceive it one frame at a time because of your brain. Just has this little filter that only lets you perceive your life experience one moment at a time. When we go to sleep and enter REM dream sleep, sometimes that filter that's there in place in our brain because of the brain waves, how it works, you're able to kind of see that whole picture, see peep pieces of it, things that are important, kind of seep in. And so that might have been how you knew how you had that dream.

SPEAKER_05 53:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

I didn't explain that as articulately as I did on Chloe's podcast. That's that's the gist of it. So this is like possibly happen. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 53:32

So when people talk about deja vu, yeah, that's what you're saying. Yes, right? Yes. That was actually what I was gonna bring up with one of my dreams, all but we don't have to talk about it anymore. But so you're saying we're just kind of like seeing glimpses of our own film strip during our sleep.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

Yeah, while we're in REM, sometimes consciousness can go outbound. Like, you know, when we have like we talked about contact dreams, our brain can receive inbound information, like from our deceased loved one. But sometimes consciousness can go outbound and see glimpses of the future. And deja vu is, I believe, connected to precognitive dreams. It feels when you experience it, you're like, wait, this is happening. I know what's gonna happen. This has happened before. It's because you may have had a precognitive dream that you didn't remember. A lot of happens to me all the time. I get that a lot too. A lot of people actually do remember the dream as soon as the deja vu happens.

SPEAKER_06 54:33

Yeah, I do. Yeah, I mean, that's what happens to me, and that that was a dream I was gonna talk about. It happened last week with me. It was like tell us.

SPEAKER_04 54:41

Yeah, I want to hear it.

SPEAKER_06 54:42

Well, no, it was just it was nothing crazy. I just remember having this dream where I was sitting at dinner with my family in a place that I did not recognize at all. And when I say my family, it was with my wife and kids, and then also with my parents, and it was in a place I remember the room, it didn't I had never seen it before, I didn't know where I was, and then literally last week I was sitting at the we go to a local country club eating dinner, and my parents had come into town to see us, and I was like, this is it. I've been here, this is the exact dream. This is I remember the topic of conversation, and this was it. This is what was happening.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Even the conversation, interesting.

SPEAKER_06 55:21

Yeah, even the topic, because it was like something that my mom said that caused me to remember.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

It triggered it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 55:26

I was like, Yep, I I remember this moment.

SPEAKER_01 55:28

Yeah, so you you you in REM you kind of went a little outbound because you know it's sort of dreams can open the portal simply because of the brainwave pattern at that point.

SPEAKER_06 55:41

So well, um, Amy, those are some good dreams. Um but I want to do like one more part two of like universal dreams again, just to get your quick thoughts, and then I'll go with my last couple dreams. And and if Emily has any more, we can do those two. But a common one, I was actually just talking with my wife about this cheating dreams. Where you know you're actually happily married, but you have a dream that your spouse cheats on you.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Yes, okay. So cheating dreams. Um now, if there's infidelity in the past, it can be um caused by that. It's something that you haven't fully healed from. Um it can the most common reason will get now, it can also be because you're suspecting and your intuition is saying, well, you might want a little dig a little deeper. But if it seems to come out of nowhere and you've no reason to suspect that they're cheating, and you don't have infidelity that's still affecting you, then the cheating dream is caused by something in your life that feels like a third wheel. Something like work or a side hustle or a project or even a new baby that is taking up your partner's time and attention where you feel it it's taking away from the time and attention you should be getting.

SPEAKER_04 57:07

Oh, I've had that dream, and then I was mad at my husband for like three days. Yeah. A lot of people ask in the mornings.

SPEAKER_06 57:15

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

So I literally woke him up and I was like, You've cheated on me. Yes, my dream. It's so common.

SPEAKER_06 57:23

But you do always say how busy Taylor is.

SPEAKER_04 57:26

He is so b so busy with work that that's so what she's saying makes perfect sense. I'm the third wheel to work.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

Well, work is the third wheel. So use that dream. So, you know, every dream has a takeaway. So use that dream to let him know and don't nag him and don't respond well to that. Let him know, hey, you know, I I feel like we don't have enough us time anymore. And then, you know, work out date night or whatever, so that you're not feeling so neglected or left out or unimportant. I am so neglected. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_04 58:03

I'm not.

SPEAKER_06 58:04

Yeah, I'm not her husband, really, is like the nicest guy ever.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

He is the best.

SPEAKER_06 58:09

Um the next one is the ex you haven't thought about in years. Yes. And I actually just told my wife about this one.

SPEAKER_04 58:16

I have so many ex like so many dreams of my exes.

SPEAKER_06 58:20

Like just randomly. Yeah, I had one last week. It was just like this girl I haven't thought about since high school, it just randomly popped up. Like, what what is that?

SPEAKER_01 58:27

Oh, okay. Well, let's let's tackle that, shall we?

SPEAKER_06 58:29

Okay, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

Okay, what happened in the dream?

SPEAKER_06 58:33

Uh, that's the problem. I don't really remember, but I remember like waking up and it's been like, why like why was she in this dream? Like, I have not thought about this person in years.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Okay, so you don't remember details, you just remember her.

SPEAKER_06 58:47

That's why this wasn't one of my main dreams because I don't remember the details.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

I have one. Can I say my ex dream?

SPEAKER_06 58:51

Yeah, if you want to do it, if you have the details.

SPEAKER_04 58:53

Okay, so I have a dream that I end up, so I was engaged to this guy. I have a dream that I end up marrying him. And in my dream, I know Taylor, my husband, and I'm but I'm married to this guy, but I'm trying to like get away from him to get with to be with my husband that I'm married to now, and I like can't get away from the ex.

SPEAKER_05 59:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 59:15

But I'm like, I don't want to be with him, but I'm married to him, but I want to be with my husband. It's really weird. How is this like a recurring dream? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

How frequently and when did it start?

SPEAKER_04 59:27

I feel like I've had this dream forever. Like for probably since I've been married. Okay. Um and how frequent? I don't know. I I can't remember. Okay, that's I just know that it like happened.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Yeah. Okay, so in real life you were engaged to this guy? Yeah. Okay. What stands out about him or about that relationship? Where's your mind go? His weird family.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

Emily. Okay. What's weird about the family? What's the problem?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

The filter.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:06

I just couldn't get away from them fast enough. And so, like, in my dream, I'm trying so hard to like get away from him and get with my husband.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Okay. And so is the family why you did not marry him? Is that why?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

A lot of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

A big part of it, yeah. But also he's he's kind of weird. So like that was a big part of it too.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:27

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

Is it is it to the point that it's like a trauma for you? Kind of, because I do feel like I was I was 19. I was so young. And it was a traumatic experience for me. Like, we're Mormon, and so we get married young. And in Utah, you know, we get married young, have babies early. And I was with my husband, he dumped me. And then I met this guy and got engaged to this guy. I was engaged for like nine months, broke it off, and like three days later, I was back with my husband because I was in love with him the whole time. Like I knew I was gonna marry him. Like I just knew I was going to. And my mom even was like, I know you're going to marry Taylor while I was engaged to this guy. And it's like, anyway, I couldn't get away from it. And it that's traumatic as a 19-year-old. Like your friends' health not even developed.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:21

How long have you been married? Um almost 18 years. Okay. Oh, so still you get this. All right. When you were with him, if you had to narrow it down to one, if you were to describe that engagement and relationship in one sentence, what would it be?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:50

His family's weird. I don't know. Like honestly, like I I think I was traumatized from the family.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:59

Yeah. Okay, why?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:03

They were mean to me. They called me princess.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

They called you a princess.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:09

Hi, Princess.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:11

But in like That was so true, though. Very condescending. Very condescending way. They were very they were condescending to our whole family because Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Also, I think another I think another part of it is that I was in love with my husband. Like I had already dated him and knew I was in love with him, but I was engaged to this guy. So I think that's like Yeah, because that's super normal.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:38

So makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

This situation has the remnants of it are still within you. So what what does what do you feel is still part of you from that? Like did their condescension change your perspective of yourself? Or like like what is still there from them?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:00

I don't know. I just felt put down and just I just I feel like I was just so young that I like wasn't old enough to navigate the whole situation. I just felt like I wasn't like that's what I always think about. I was just I was a baby. That's so young to be dealing with these life decisions.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:20

Does that in what way does that still affect you today? Does it affect your behaviors? Does it affect your sense of yourself? Because there's something that's still there because you keep getting these dreams. There's something still there. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:35

I think it's the it's the panic I felt that like I knew I wanted to marry Taylor, my husband now. And it was like this panic of like, but I have to marry this guy, I'm so young, like what if I never get back with Taylor? It was like a panic. And like when I get these dreams, I'm like panicked when I wake up that like, oh my gosh, I'm who am I married to? And I'm like panicked that I'm not married to Taylor, my husband.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Do you ever in real life get panic about your marriage? No. Is there anything else in real life that causes you panic?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

No, not that I can think of. It's just the panic, like, what if I wouldn't have married Taylor? What if I would have married this guy? It's like really that's what it is. Because I think I think back to like, what if I didn't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:28

Okay, well, is there any part of that that you haven't let go of? Are you still holding on to resentment? Time wasted? I mean, what there's still I know what it is.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:37

I have but I have I purposes too.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:40

It's because we still don't know why Taylor broke up with you. Yeah, my husband now.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

I'm like, why did you break up with me? You're so mean.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

And he's always like, I don't know. It's like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

We were just young, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:51

Yeah. He was like, I was focused, I was trying to focus on basketball, I was trying to focus on school, wasn't ready. I'm still Matty dumb to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:58

What were you gonna say, Zach?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:00

This is me going into my deep, Laurid-thinking brain right here, okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:06

You said the family made you feel some type of way with like calling you princess.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:13

Did that that affect like your self-esteem at all? Did that like make you feel yeah?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:18

I felt low. I felt, yeah, I felt beat down.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:20

That's what I so I was gonna say, are there time what causes you to feel beat down? Because I think I have so maybe being you, I'm sure you see comments, you see things that like make you feel beat down. And so maybe that comes back when you feel more beat down than other times.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:37

Yeah, there are really mean people on the internet. Yes, true.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:40

So that was my hypothesis that maybe it comes back when you're like at your low point, you don't feel good because people have been beating you down and it makes you feel like, oh, I'm trying to run away from that feeling and get back to my safe space, which is Taylor, and you're like, your family. I don't know. That's my hypothesis.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

Oh, is that that was very deep. I don't think you've like, I've never, wow. Here's where the app will help you.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

Okay. When you do the day journal, when you answer the questions at the end of the day in the day journal part of the app, pay close attention. Put special focus on, you know, what significant conversations, emails, or texts did you have today? Because then you'll likely be able to realize, oh, this conversation or oh, that comment I saw, you know, that's it. And then you may have that dream.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

So that's why a day journal in tandem with a dream journal, which my app does, Dream Chat with Laurie, L A U R I, will help you make the connections. And you know, we go through life so many times, why do I keep having this dream? This will help you. Pinpoint why and what is causing the dream.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:54

I love it. Yeah, that I'm excited to try it. I mean, like, and actually you can see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

Oh, I'm so excited. I can't wait. I have already downloaded it.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:02

Alright. I'm gonna do my dreams. I only have to.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:05

Okay, go Zach.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:07

They're they're not that great, but my one dream, I I have it pretty like probably once a month. And it'll always be so I played basketball growing up. That was like my whole life. Um, I played in college, and then I think it started happening after I was done. But I will be like have to go back and play basketball again, and I'll go and I'll always be playing for my same college coach with my same teammates, and I'll be going into the game, but I won't have pants on. No pants, and then I'll freak out and be like, shoot, I gotta go run back into the locker room, and it's never at the same place, it's always like at different locations, and then I have to run back in the locker room, put pants on, and then when I come back out, I can never get back into the game, like they don't let me get in, and so then I end feeling just like devastated because I didn't get to play in the game, and it never like I felt like an idiot or look like an idiot or nothing like that. It's always just I messed up because I never got to actually play.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

Okay, and how frequent is this?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:18

Probably like once a month.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:19

Okay, that's a lot. Um, and when did these start?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:25

That's the question. I would probably say probably three or four years ago.

unknown 1:08:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:31

Yeah, maybe five.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

Which is when you were finishing basketball?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:34

Yeah, I finished basketball like six years ago. So kind of shortly after.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Okay. Well, let's start with what could be the obvious. Do you miss it? Do you not play it enough? Do you want it back in your life?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:47

I mean, of course. Um I've always wanted it back in my life. I don't do anything with it now. I don't play or anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

It could be as simple as that. Your subconscious could be nagging you. This is a big this was a big part of who we are, let's bring it back.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:01

Um which is something I've explored a lot, but never actually done.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:06

Well, it'll probably stop when you start doing basketball again. Get it going, Zach. Fire it up. Yeah, I get it. I mean, I'll never play. If you have the thought I can never get back in the game, well, why not? Why are you not letting yourself get back?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:21

Um I'll never play again. I bad knee issue.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:25

Um you're helping your boys. Yeah. Maybe it's like your little boys.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

Yeah, but I don't know. I I struggle with that because I don't want to be too like forceful.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:39

Oh, like me. Okay, this is why you don't have your pants in the dream.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:44

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:45

Because he who wears the pants is the one in charge.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:50

Hmm. So then interesting. So what does that mean though?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

Like, so am I saying you just said I don't want to be too forceful.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:59

Yeah. So I am trying to let them make their own decisions, and so that's why I don't have like my pants, I guess, or I don't know. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

Get your freaking pants on and force layers basketball.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Parents are are there to guide and teach and help this young human become a well um working piece of society.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:25

I think, well, it's like I grew up, so my dad was a college basketball coach, and um I I never liked basketball growing up. I didn't start liking basketball until maybe into like really like it and up to like high school.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

And he kind of forced you, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:41

I mean, yeah, and it was expected that I he didn't yeah, he he he did force. He I would say he did force it. I would get in trouble if like I didn't practice or something like that. And so I think for me, it's like I hated that growing up because it caused me to hate it, but then obviously when I got good at it, then I loved it. And so I think I don't know. I don't I don't know if that plays into the dream at all. It's like I don't want to push my own kids into it, and maybe that's why it started happening three or four years ago, because I have that's when my boy was born, my first child.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

Oh, that yep, we're making a lot of connections.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:17

So interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

Focus on the pants. What kind of pants do you want to wear? You know, hmm. That's what right now you're without them. You know, you don't feel you have the ability to coach them in a way that will not make it like you felt.

unknown 1:11:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:38

What if you coached not your kids but other kids?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

Emily, so Emily has two boys, and she always is like, Zach, come to a basketball private when you're in town. Like, let's get the boys together. Dean and Weston can come. I sent I sent him all of my boys' basketball videos and he hates it. Like, no. Like he's like, I don't want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:01

Like Okay, what are you talking about? I worked out Canon and Graydon last time I was in Utah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:07

I know, but when I send you your videos, their videos, you're like, you're so crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:11

Yes, because you are psycho.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

You are a little crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:13

You are insane. And yeah, I don't know. This is going on, this is going on too much about other details, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

Well, that's something to think about because your dream is highlighting your issue with this. So marinate on that. You know, that the in-charge thing seems to be the sticker for you.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:34

That's interesting. Yeah, I I hadn't connected the pants to like the in-charge piece of page.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

That's interesting. Yeah, that is very interesting. Every detail matters and has something to say.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:44

Because I would never think that that would be like a detail that you had to have, but makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:50

Like I thought it was was gonna go to like you're unprepared for something, kind of like similar to that other dream, but I feel but it's definitely what you're saying. Yeah, that's that's interesting. All right, my second dream. Um this one, I don't I don't know if there's any meaning to it, but I uh so I get cr I have chronic migraines, and they've been better recently.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

Been there, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:14

It's it's brutal. And at night when I get them, I get like stuck in a dream loop. So like I'll be having a dream, and it can be as simple as like I'm walking to go like kind of like basketball. Like I'm walking to go pick up a basketball, but I keep doing that like over and over and over again until I wake up and my head is just like killing me with a migraine. I don't know if there's any meaning towards that, or like some way to like break around it, or it's just being caused by the migraine.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:45

That's a good question. So is it always the same dream?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:49

No, it's it doesn't have to be the same thing that happens, but it's like I'll be having a dream and then I get caught in one specific part of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

Okay. Like, give me another example because I wonder if there's a commonality in the thing, the action of the dream.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

Let's try and think of another one. Another one um will be like someone will or like I'll say a sentence or like hear a song, and then I just keep hearing, or like that same sentence gets keeping repeated and repeated and repeated.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:22

Can you tell me one?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:23

I I can't remember what a sentence was, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:25

Oh, okay. I know I wish, but because when when you get wake up with a song on your mind, or there's a song in your dream, it's not random, it's for a reason because there's something either in the title or in the lyrics that's relevant to your life right now. That's why your subconscious chose that song. So the loop is interesting.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:49

Have you looked into like what happens in the brain that causes the migraine?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:55

Yeah, I mean, I've talked to a lot of doctors and stuff. Um it's something to do with like the nerve ending or something, right? Some nerve in here that's like sending signals of pain and like making it up because your brain doesn't feel any pain. Like, so like it's the nerves outside here that are like sending some distress signal that, like, for some reason something in your brain is hurting, but nothing is actually hurting, but it just keeps sending that same signal for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:31

I wish I could give you a definitive answer to this, but I feel like there's probably something going on physiologically in the brain that's causing the REM story to loop. My first thought was maybe your dream is trying to give you an answer to what is causing the migraines because our dreams can help us with bodily issues.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:54

Um Have you seen that? What type of things? I mean, just curious, uh, have you seen play out where like it helps with the bodily issue?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:02

Okay, well, I had a client who was having dreams of Ziploc bags, blown-up Ziploc bags clogging their toilet. And then they went to the doctor and they had some sort, I can't remember now, this was years ago. They had some sort of um obstruction in their bladder. So the dream was telling them this is what's wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:33

That's actually kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

Yeah. So dreams can't, they're called polydomal dreams, I believe, that where the dream is trying to tell you what's going on with your body. So I would look into more of the mechanics of what's going on in the dream, see if how it affects the REM cycle. You know, and it might explain why you get stuck in a loop because of what the brain is doing.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:59

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:59

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:01

Yeah, I'll have to look into that. Well, I mean, that was all I had on my dreams. Anyone have enough one last dream, or are we good? Nothing?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:12

Can't think of any.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:14

Emily, you told me a dream where I was a snake.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:16

Oh, I okay. I have had recurring dreams of people that are snakes, and I'm like running around, but like it's like Zach's like a snake, but his head is Zach, and he's like chasing me. But I've had it, I have it of like all different people. It's never the same person.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:32

Okay, that's very interesting. Now, usually snakes and dreams represent a toxic person.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:42

There you go, Zach.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

We know Zach isn't toxic.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:45

I'm very toxic.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

But at the time, he may have felt like maybe he said something to you you didn't like, and that's how you were perceiving him at the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:53

Probably when he when he fired me from the podcast, Zach.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:56

Oh, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

That's right when I had the dream. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:00

Yeah, because I fired you since that ever happened. So actually, maybe that could be just you inventing things in your brain and making people become snakes that aren't really snakes. Because you do invent, you know, she may have perceived you that way at the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

Yes, Zach.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:17

Yes. That I think that's right. Actually. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:22

Well, um But you're not a snake, Zach. You're not a snake.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:26

Whatever you say. Whatever you say. Because clearly you were thinking I was a snake. But Lori, um, that was amazing. That I like truly, this was one of the most interesting conversations I think I've like just had in general.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:41

Everyone has to get the app. Get the app.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:44

Yeah, I'm like so excited. Because I feel like I have really crazy dreams where I'm like, that is so weird. So I'm like so excited to use your app to go deeper into what the meaning is.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:55

Yeah. Dream chat with Laurie. And don't forget that when you upload your photo, it will use that to put you inside your dream. So you get a cool little snapshot of your dream after you're done with the dream analysis process. I love that. That's amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:13

Yeah. That's really cool. And then also you have your website, LaurieLowenberg.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:18

Laurelowenberg.com, but Laurie Lowenberg is hard to spell. So if you just Google Dream Expert, I'll be like the first, second, and third one that comes up. And that's where you can set up a one-on-one consultation with me. We can do it on the phone or we can do video chat. And and that is, of course, even better than the app because it's actually me.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:37

I mean, and this was unreal. Like for you to say it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:41

I feel like I just did like a therapy session. Like I thought it was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:45

It is very much therapy. It is. I I actually train, I've trained um a handful of mental health practitioners to incorporate dream work into their practice, and they have told me that that gets to the meat of the issue. Like what would normally take 10 sessions, they get to it in one dream interpretation. Yeah. That's amazing. Makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:09

And then you also have your books.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:12

Yeah, my latest book is Dream on It. Unlock Your Dreams, Change Your Like Sleep On It, Dream On It. It's available on Amazon.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:19

And then follow her on Instagram as well, Laurie underscore the dream expert.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:23

All my social media, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X, they're all Laurie L A U R I, Laurie the Dream Expert.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:32

Yes. Okay. Cool. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:36

So much fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:36

Yeah, that was amazing. That was so good.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:39

Everyone, give it leave us a review and leave us your a comment about your most odd recurring dream if you want.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:45

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:45

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SPEAKER_01 1:20:54

Sweet dreams.

unknown 1:20:56

You are related to us legally.