SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to Legally Friends. I'm Zach and I've got Amy with me today. And we also have a very special guest with us. So if you are someone on Instagram or TikTok and you've ever Googled, you know, how to lose weight or what should I eat, you've probably seen her face. She is a certified nutrition coach, a personal trainer, the founder of Macrohabits, a nutrition coaching company that's helped thousands of women completely change their relationship with food. She has almost 400,000 followers on Instagram, 150,000 on TikTok. She hosts her own podcast called the Macro Habits Podcast. And she was featured on the skinny confidential. The list goes on and on. She's done a lot of great things. And she's been ranked the number one macronutrient tracking influencer in the country. That's kind of cool. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

I didn't even know that, Hannah.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

That's that's what I saw. So our special guest is Hannah Pointer. Welcome to Legally Friends.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

Thank you for the introduction. So kind. I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

So typically, we start each episode with our opening statements, just talking about what happens during our week, anything that was, you know, interesting or should be shared. So I'm gonna start with Amy and hopefully you have something good for us. Let's where can you start?

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Me and Emily did kind of get into a fight yesterday. We're all good today, though. Like I was FaceTiming her while I was getting ready.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

The typical one-day fight. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yeah. No, like I don't even think it was 12 hours. Um but was texting me is my niece. She's almost 15 years old. So she's like really like in the trenches right now. In middle school, it's like the worst phase of life ever. But so she's texting me and she's like having a full-blown middle school crash out because she has a zit. Like, and genuinely, when I say a zit, I mean she has one tiny zit.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

A singular zit.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

A singular, not plural, singular. So she's texting me and she's like, I need to go to the dermatologist. I don't know what to do. She's like, and she knows that I'm on Accutane and I like how amazing my skin looks right now. And so she's like, I need Accutane. I'm like, okay, hold on. Like, let's not just like jump straight into Accutane. Like, let's get you an appointment with the dermatologist. So I text Emily, I'm like, make the girl an appointment. And she's like, oh my gosh, it's a zit.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

For one zit in defense.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

She has really, really bad eczema, and she's having a really bad flare-up right now because it's like spring. Well, not anymore because it's like a blizzard and draper right now, but it was spring two days ago. And so I'm like, well, like, let's take her in for her eczema. She can ask the doctor about her zit. And if it's really bothering her, they can do like a cortisone injection in her zit to make it go away.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

For one zit?

SPEAKER_00 2:50

I've done that before. I mean, you do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

You do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Beauty is painzac. Like, you don't even know what we go through.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

I've had a zit before, but okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

She's in middle school. It's like literally the worst. Like, you could not pay me money to go back to middle school. And it's just like you think everyone's looking at it. So I get it. And it's like, who cares? It's a it's a dermatologist, like, whatever. That's why we have insurance, right? So me and Emily got into a fight because she was like, You are being so dramatic. Like, stay out of it. She doesn't need to go to the dermatologist. So I made her an appointment and I was like, I'll be checking her out of school and I will be taking her to the dermatologist. And she's like, You're not checking my daughter out of school to go to the dermatologist. I'm like, Yeah, I am. I'm on the list. So I'm taking the dermatologist in a couple days. And Emily was like, You're ridiculous, but why?

SPEAKER_01 3:42

This sounds like a judge and jury moment. Like, we shouldn't be debating this because this actually kind of makes me mad.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

No, I know the year. Auntie of the year over here.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Oh no, do not hop on her side.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

I'm on accutane and it's a zit is debilitating. Okay. I don't care if it's one or 37, when you have that thing on your face as a girl, it is just like you can't, you you obsess.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah, it's true. It's true. And you know what? As her aunt, I'm allowed to be like, if your mom is not gonna take you to the dermatologist, or she's like, let's give it a week, I'm gonna I'm gonna step in. That's my job as an aunt. I'm always gonna be on side. So that was my drama with Emily, but like we're fine now. She still thinks I'm crazy that I'm taking her to the dermatologist, but whatever. Work is good. My dad does commercial real estate development, so I I work with him. So we it's our last full floor in one of our buildings. So yeah, we're gonna see who gets it.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Nice job.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

I'm I'm really pulling for one company, but I won't I won't say who.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Yeah, probably shouldn't share that.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

No, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Mike will fire you.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

This much, you know. Anything else?

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Um, no, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Okay. So this week Megan was posting about all the different houses that we saw, the house tours we went on, and she never shared any addresses, never shared even the cities that we were in. But some people became really obsessed with figuring out where we were going to move. And it was insane.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

People are so crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Yeah. So she got a DM from somebody saying, like, want to let you know that there's people on Reddit trying to figure out where you're gonna be living and they're gonna share the address tonight. And I was like, What the heck? Like, who does this? Who has time in their day to go play investigator just to figure out where we're going to be moving? And it's not like we're even like we're not famous, like, we're not a big deal. Like, why does it matter where we're going to be living?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Zach, you guys are a big deal.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

We are such a big deal, I guess. I I had no idea, but I guess we're a big deal. So the the post then comes out that night, and this person had literally like went and looked at all of the places that we had visited, took the images and must have put them in Google search to figure out what cities we were looking at. And then they went and tried to figure out what houses had went under contract in the last couple days in those areas, and then tried to take different words that Megan had said. So, like Megan said, that had needed some work done and had a great backyard. And then she used that to then sort through the listings to figure out which one was our house.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

It's scary how someone like thinks that's a game when it's your your home and your safety and like your sanctuary, and people are like behind the scenes trying to like figure out where you live. But if they zoom out, it's like, would you want that done to you? Like it's so weird to me.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

So creepy. And especially if we have kids. Like, what I don't want my address out there for everyone to know because we have kids. And so that made me pretty mad. I mean, there's nothing you can really do about it. Um, I can't control what these people do. I don't ever look on Reddit, like, and so I don't want to give these people the satisfaction. That's the one thing I didn't really want to talk about it because I don't want them to think like, oh, we're sitting there looking at all their posts, and really they matter in our life when I never ever read it. I could care less what those people have to say. But when they start throwing my address out online for everyone to see, like that bugs me.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Coming from somebody who has like some time on her hands. I like I'm not the busiest woman in America or anything.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Who in their right mind is doing that? Like, genuinely.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Like, go do something else with your time. Why are you like trying to like? I just, it's so weird. I would never waste my time. And I have quite some time to waste. I would never waste my time doing that.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

I think it's a hobby. I think it's a legit hobby for some people. I've heard some weird things about about how girls are in like group text, and like they bond over like the latest and greatest on Reddit and Snark, and it's almost like it's a hobby. It gives them, yes. I've I have one friend who she got word of a one of her friends in a group text and started talking to her about it, and she was like, Wait, that's so weird, because me and her are really close, and she's like, I would hate if someone like was talking about you in a thread, and like they're not even acknowledging you're a person with feelings or like you're online to grow your business or do something. It's just like the weirdest thing to you that people actually get like fulfillment in kind of a high or a dopamine hit off finding information on people that's negative. It's it's beyond me.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

That makes sense because Megan was telling me how she's been thinking about who she's told out of her friends, which is it sucks to have to think about that, but now she's really kind of walking back and thinking, what friend did I tell that what you know what our address is or what house we're moving into, just because that person could be leaking it or be on this, you know, in a group, like you mentioned, sharing all this information, which is so weird.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

There have been things on Reddit that have been sent to us by like some of our followers who obviously read it, but they think it's like kind of crossing the line or getting too close to the line, and they're like, hey, just so you know, like this is what's being said. And it is a little like frightening because it's like like one or two percent of the information in there is like kind of true. Where it's like obviously they heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody who then posted it on Reddit. It sends you into like this spiral of like almost like paranoia, being like, Okay, who did I tell? And then who could they have told? And like you try to connect the dots, and it's like this never-ending, like, you'll never really figure it out. We've tried to figure it out before, it's a dead end, but that's why we can't read it because it just like it it honestly makes me so paranoid, and then I'm like, I I can't be friends with anybody, yeah. And like you can't you can't live your life like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

No, Reddit has dark energy for sure, yeah, for sure. Um, Hannah, have you had any crazy DMs or moments like that in your inbox? I'm sure being in the fitness world, I bet that happens a lot.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

So, yes, I've had, I mean, I get a lot of just I get opinions about like my body or my face or whatever. And those honestly don't bug me at all. Like anything that I've done, I'm very transparent, first of all. Um, and so I share everything because I feel that that is I don't know, I'm I'm okay to do that. I also have like a business in in health and wellness and body recomp. So if a girl, you know, is looking up to me or is doing my workout, she's like, oh, I, you know, I want this, or how did how is she 5'10 with this? I'm like, well, I, you know, got a surgery, got, you know, whatever. I feel like it's important that I'm honest with that stuff. And I like my reasons for everything I do. So if someone disagrees with me, it doesn't really affect me because I like it, I feel confident, so it's fine. But I would say when I had really bad acne, I would get really mean DMs about how I shouldn't be in health and wellness because I have acne and I'm preaching, you know, gut health or hormone health or lifestyle, you know, health, and I am like covered in acne, but I would I would just show it every day because I'm like, I'm not gonna blur my face out. I don't want to see someone in person and have them be like, wow, she has horrible acne. I'd rather see them have them see me in person and be like, damn, she has acne, but at least she shows it. You know, I don't know. That that was like a pain point for me. I think that actually really did affect my confidence when I was like masked with a ton of cystic acne. And then I've had people create like burner phones and try to text me things. I think it's important to keep a lot of things private in a way, just because I've had some very weird texts.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

That's creepy. Like, yeah. That's why.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

And like people have a lot of time on their hands because I'm just a girl.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Hannah, is there anything you wanted to share from your week? Anything that was interesting? No pressure.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

You don't have to share anything, but I mean, I wish I had like a riveting update from this week. I did go to Nashville last weekend, um, and it was so fun. Amy, you need to go to Nashville. I feel like you would thrive there.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

I went to Nashville a couple years ago, and it was so fun. I feel like your husband's there. I mean, maybe the horse husband is Nashville. My my country husband is in Nashville. You're country.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

I'm just putting it out there, and if I'm right, I will be I will be clipping this and taking credit for her manifesting it for you.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

So, did you do like a girls' trip or what was it? I did hang out with a guy out there.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Oh yes. Um I know it was really fun. Nashville in general, though, just like I I mean, I am so married to Orange County. Like, if you know me, I'm like the I love it. I think Orange County is like the best place in the world. But I will say when I'm in Nashville, there is this just like it has such a good energy. The people are so kind. It's a very just I've only had really kind interactions with like all different walks of life there. I don't know. I just I really, really like it. It's a good place, good food, good shopping. So I'm a fan of Nashville, and that was really fun.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Next time you go out, you need to take Amy with you. That should be I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Yeah, maybe, maybe your guy has a friend.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

We can do a little double.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

Stay tuned.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Sounds good. Um he's not my guy.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

He's not my guy. I'm like eating my words. We're just you know, I just like I just have a crush.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

I have a crush, right? Maybe your crush has a crush for me.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

So wait, how did you and Amy get to know each other? Like, what's the story there?

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Amy, do you remember when we actually met? So I lived at the village in Provo, and Megan had moved into the aisles, and then I moved in like a few months later and became friends with like Taylor and Livy and Macy and Maddie, and like you were in that friend group. So I just remember like whenever I would like hang out with like Megan and all her friends, like you like you were always there.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

Yes, that's how I remember it too. I don't remember like the exact moment, but I think just the scene the group of friends were all kind of like we all intermingled together.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Yeah, and that was like 10 years ago, which is like so frightening to think about.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

I'm 30. I I seriously was thinking about that this morning. I was like, what like how long has it been? And I'm like, that is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

So yeah, it feels like another lifetime, yeah. Like living at the aisles, like, oh, you cannot, oh, I cannot like imagine living there ever again.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

So the aisles is a place in Provo apartment complex.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Yeah, I mean, I don't know because I'm so far out of like that young scene now, but like the aisles was like the place to be at.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Yeah, I have one question for Hannah though. What was Amy like back then?

SPEAKER_03 15:13

The way that I remember Amy is very like I feel like you're exactly the way you are now. You have a very dry sense of humor and you have a lot of wit to you, so you'll make remarks and you're kind of like, wait, like, did Amy just say that? But it's it's so it's like funny and it's always like in good humor. And the resting bitch face has always been, has always been there. I'm sure, you know, from a young age that that checks out. Um, but you were always fun, you were nice. Meg, your wife, obviously, Zach, like she was always in the group, like the sweetest, kindest person. Meg has always had just like angel energy, is how I would describe it. Just so sweet and good to the core. And then you guys were always together, though. Like Amy and Meg were like, I don't think I ever saw you without Meg, and then like Meg without Amy, maybe when Meg was like dancing, like like for the is it cougarettes? Is that what it is? Yeah, um, but no, only good things. Like, I feel like you're very you have like a very good core, and you're you kind of just from listening to Reza's podcast, and I know we haven't talked in years, but you're exactly the same kind of as I remember. Obviously, you've evolved and matured, but just like you guys both you and uh make get like a really good people.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Oh, thank you. That was so nice.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

That was nice, that was a lot nicer thing than I would have said about you.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

You're so rude.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Um, so but you both are you both so you're both single right now, Hannah. You have a crush. I yeah, but has a ton of crushes, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

I have lots of crushes.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

So, but you both were in Utah. This is more for Hannah. How has it been dating in California versus Utah? Because the reason I say this is a lot of people don't understand the Utah dating scene. Like it is, it's a different world, and until you leave there, it's you don't really know how it is. But how has it been for you? How was it transitioning from Utah to California and dating and all that?

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Honestly, I think dating in California is a thousand times better than dating in Utah. And I I think the energy you put out is the energy you get. It doesn't matter where you are at in the United States or the world, like put good energy out. You never know where you're gonna meet your person. But in Utah, it's just this there's a kind of a toxicity, I think, that surrounds dating. And the problem is everyone kind of dates each other, so there's a lot of issues with loyalty or jealousy or just your business being shared between people you don't really want it being shared with. And in Orange County, like no one talks, so you don't really date the friend group or date someone in the same friend group. Like dating in Orange County. I mean, I am it's a lot, I mean, I guess it's not technically a lot bigger, but I just feel like there's a little more fish in the sea, and then people just kind of march to the beat of their own drum, also in Utah, especially if you're, you know, maybe active in the Mormon church. It's just there's a lot of kind of I don't know, there can be some hardship in that area.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Yeah, I can totally see that because in Utah, I mean, I'm sure people kind of see it. I mean, not to the level, but like Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, like how they all date each other. Like, that is kind of how it is. Like the amount of times that like I've like matched with somebody on hinge, or like they've asked for my number like at church or something. And then I find out like three of my roommates have already gone out with them. It kind of just like you're just like, ugh, like I don't that's how I met my wife.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

My best friend took out Megan.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

It's true.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

And so I met that I met her on a double date in, but she was with my best friend. So like we all date each other, you know, it all works out.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Yeah, it is it like it's such like a I don't know. Utah dating is like truly there's nothing, there's nothing like it. It should be studied because honestly, like these boys out here, and that's what they are, they're boys. It's just it's rough.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

There's a level of pressure too in Utah dating that's different than Orange County. Like in Utah, it's like you meet someone, you like each other, and it's like, are we gonna get engaged? It's kind of this like everything's exponented, but in Orange County, it's like very slower for the most part. I feel like most people are kind of a slow burn, or I okay, a lot of guys here might have like Peter Pan syndrome. That's maybe a difference as well.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

What's that? I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

So like they never grow up.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

It's like they act like they're like 22 forever. Yeah. And they're like 37, and you're like, okay, like grow up.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Yeah, it's like at some point, like, I mean, I want to be a mom, I want to have a family. Like, yes, dating is fun, but I'm dating with intention. Like at this point in my life, like I am dating intentionally and dating completely different than I even dated two years ago. So there's there's see, there's weird things everywhere or different you know, hardships.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Yeah, there's definitely like pros and cons, but I was thinking about it, like when we were like hanging out at the aisles together and like trying to date down in Provo, little like 20-year-old me, I feel like would be so like shocked and horrified to know that like I'm 28 and still single and like still trying to date, but that's because like that's that Utah mentality where it's like you meet, you date, you get married all within like six months.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Yeah, I know, dude. Yes, I mean I said I was gonna have all my kids before I was 30. Like 21. I'm like, oh, I'll have I'll be the youngest mom, I'll have all my kids before I'm 30. I am eating my words every day. I'm like, hopefully before 40, fingers crossed.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Like, yeah, seriously. No, I feel that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

I have a question for both of you. Because I mean, Hannah, with your 400,000 followers, Amy, not as many followers, but you're always in the social media world with your sisters and your own. Do you feel like guys are intimidated by that? Like, have you had interactions where and I truly think this, because Amy, I think it's hilarious. Like, I, you know, I don't know you as well, Hannah, but I think Amy's hilarious. It's like I feel like she would have been married so much sooner, especially in Utah. But I feel like some guys even look at the social media and see that, like, oh, she has so many followers, and maybe that means a high expectation for I guess like lifestyle or whatever it is. Do you feel like guys are intimidated by that and maybe don't like it? Or what has been your experience?

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Yes, I would say overall, most guys maybe like it at first, and then because I'm so private and I'm I'm very upfront about that. Like, I'm very upfront about I will I will talk about if I am dating someone, I will talk about it. Their hand might be in a video, or like I make it known. I'm not trying to hide anything or do any type of like shady behavior. Obviously, when you have an online presence, there is a lot of just kind of stereotype with like sneakiness and attention seeking and all this stuff. And so if I do, if I am in a relationship, an exclusive relationship with someone, I'm I will talk about it because I want them to feel secure and that I'm not hiding them. But I also I'm not sharing names, I'm not sharing faces, I'm keeping macrohabits very business focused. And unfortunately, that has become an issue before. And it's it's disappointing because I'm just like, you know, I'm I'm very transparent up front about it, but ultimately I think it should show them that I like value my job. And I'm not, it's not just me. Like I have a team of coaches, I have I have other, you know, facets to the business that I'm protecting, and I don't want drama with a guy, or I don't want a guy to try to like get clout, or you know, exactly. Yeah, it's like I'm not into that.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

So when you say it caused issues, like issues as like they wanted you to tag them or like post them on macro habits, yes, or to or post them more, or even like talks of starting businesses, or like you already have a platform, so this would be great.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

And here's the thing like in in if I look at big picture, I would love to to help have my husband help me grow my business. Keyword husband, you know, right exactly. So like I'm very protective over macrohabits. I mean, it is like my baby, and so just in the past when I've navigated, you know, dating and the this the presence on social media, I feel like I really did a good job. Like I do a good job of sharing without like, you know, disclosing everything. And I just, yeah, I think that's that's just a personal decision. It's like someone not sharing their kids' faces online. It's like there's not a wrong or a right way, it's just like your personal, you know, your personal kind of um feeling about it or your gut feeling. And if you are with a person who doesn't want their kids shown, you're not gonna like post a picture of their kid's face. You're gonna respect that. It's social media. At the end of the day, it's a it's virtual, like it's not a real world. So if someone's really worried about that, I think that also might show intentions or what they're really after. So I do think it's hard, but I think I do a good job of kind of drawing a pretty strict boundary. And you know, never say never. I I always say I always have an open mind. If I met someone and maybe wanted to share them, maybe I would. But so far I've just kind of like set that boundary for myself.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

And I'm grateful I have.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

That is something tough though, because it you have like if you get to know somebody and then say you start to like them, then all of a sudden they're like, hey, like, let's do this business thing together. And then I think which if you have that following, you'd start to question the intentions behind everything, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Yeah, or that's just me, but that is crazy that like I can't even imagine like dating somebody and being like, we should start a business together. It's like, what? Yeah, because like you're not married, like what if you break up and then what?

SPEAKER_03 25:32

I know, and I think it's easy to get caught up in things sometimes when you're like, you know, I don't know, in beginning stages, or just there's obviously like there's a natural kind of hype or like fun about it all. But I think over time, honestly, like I think it's too with dating that we're talking about it. I think it's just really important to peel back the onion and go slow. And that's something I've really learned and I'm implementing now is like just really taking my time, letting someone kind of show me their true colors by from their actions, not their words. I try to date someone for exactly who they are, not their potential. So if I ever am with a guy and I'm like, oh, but he would do this, or he's gonna do this, or he says this. I'm like, these are all like words and thoughts. It's not actually being executed, and not to say that it's bad to have aspirations and dreams and speak things into existence, but like you gotta hit the pavement, and I need and I think seeing action on both ends is really important. Anything that I want in a guy, I hold myself to that same standard, so I think that's also important.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah, that's all great, but I just think the going slow part I can't agree with because like I know that because you yeah, because it was like 69 days, okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

So that's like a beautiful one in a million, or maybe not even a one in a million, but like that is just love, like God has favorites in that realm. So congratulations. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Me and Hannah did not cut that favorite list for real.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Yeah, that's on it when Meg and I talk about it. We always say, like, we were insane, like pure just blessing from above that it all worked out and it's gone as well as it had because that is that was insanely fast.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

So Amy, how do you deal with like obviously all your siblings or your sisters are married? So, do you do are you constantly hounded about dating, or do you kind of keep it private to like protect your peace? Or how do you do that?

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Yeah, no, I can't I can't keep it private, like with my family. Like, I have to tell them everything. I have a new crush. It's like, and this is the thing, it's like I'm also all talk, especially when I have a new crush. It's like they don't even know who I am, and I'm sending it to my sisters, and I'm like, I just found my husband. And they're like, oh my gosh, yay! Like, let's lock it down. I'm like, okay, I don't know how to lock it down because he doesn't know my name. And like I'm I'm so painfully shy with guys that I like I can't ever really make the first move. And so then, like a week later, they'll be like, Oh, like, how like, did you ever talk to this guy? Like, how's the crush? I'm like, oh, I don't even know who that is anymore. Like, I don't have a crush on him. They've gotten better about kind of like stepping back and being like, you do you, like, we know you'll figure it out. But we have gotten in like some fights when they're especially about like this guy that they think I should marry. And I'm just like not into it. And they always they always go back to him. They're always like, Well, what about him? And I'm like, No, you have to like them.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

You have to, even if it's like the perfect guy on paper, if you don't have the chemistry that like you've you know when you have chemistry with someone, obviously. And if that's missing, then it just is like unfortunately, it's just a fun friend.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

How do you meet guys? Are you on the apps, Hannah? Because Amy is, but she's not very active. And I'm every time I talk to her, I'm like, what's going on, Hinge? Have you been talking to anybody? You swipe in, you message anybody, and it's always no. What are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 29:06

The apps are definitely a tool in the toolbox, I will say. I'm not on the apps right now. I think the apps you have to go through, like, you gotta download and go on a lot of dates and then delete, and then download and delete. Like, I think it's good to kind of set some, you know, boundaries with that. But I mean, did you hear that?

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Go on a lot of dates. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

I will say this. Like, in this, like, I mean, at the end of last year in January, like I was like hitting the pavement with dating. I was going on like three dates a week, or I would just like really try to put myself out there. And ultimately, what that does is it opens up opportunities, obviously, to meet your person, but it keeps your like confidence and wit kind of primed. Because going on a date after not being on a date for two months, you're like sweaty and nervous and kind of you know intimidated. But when you are going on like three, you know, and I'm not saying it could be like a coffee date and then a dinner date or or an ice cream date. Like, they don't have they don't have to be like your whole Friday night is being taken, but just having that interaction with someone, I think when you're single, is really good for just continuing your kind of like self-development and your confidence and all of that stuff. Yeah. But it's it's a it's effort. Dating is effort, and people don't really realize that. But especially when you work full-time, you have a family, you have a friend group, you have a church group, like you have all these other things in your life that are giving you fulfillment and that are great. Obviously, I'm sure, Amy, you want to meet your person and like settle down and have kids one day. That it does require like work and effort, which is it's hard to sometimes prioritize that. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

I just get so frustrated, like with the apps. It's like I'm like, I'll match with a guy, and I'm like, okay, he's really cute, he's nice, whatever. We'll like chat on the app for a few days, and then nothing.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Yeah, you gotta get off that app quick. Yeah, you gotta like you gotta really because yeah, once you start going back and forth in an app, it's just almost, I don't know, it's like what's your intention? If a guy really wants to take you out, he should say, Hey, what's your number? and then text you.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

And see, like that's what I want. Or like there have been so many instances where we're like chatting and I'm like, hey, like, just text me, and then they never text me. I'm like, okay, what like why? Like, what's the point? Like, you just like want to text and hinge. Like, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Yeah, that's annoying. That's a little bit I wonder if it's different in California compared to Utah in that. Because I feel like when I was like on an app, like they would it was more normal to not tech, not like get caught up in the app. Yeah, I don't know that.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Wait, Hannah, are you on Raya?

SPEAKER_03 32:00

No.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Have you ever been on Raya?

SPEAKER_03 32:03

No.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Oh, maybe you should get on Raya. There are some really, really cute guys in California.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Really? Or you need to come out to California. Yeah, they're used to it.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Yeah. Well, this one guy wanted to fly me out to California, and I was like, oh, I'm scared. I can't.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

They're gonna be severely disappointed with.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Yeah, because they they think they're gonna fly me out and like they're gonna sleep with me. I'm like, oh, sweetie, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

You're like, not not this girl. Gay, but wait a like hold your standards high. I respect that.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Yeah, good for you. So, okay, Hannah, when you are dating, like you're on again, off again, kind of like long-term boyfriend or ex-boyfriend. Um I had a friend who you guys were like broken up. So they were kind of talking. And as girls do, we were like driving around Provo one night, and we were like, she's like, he's not texting me back. Like, that's so weird. Usually he texts me back right away. And I was like, Oh, well, we're right here. Like, let's just go do a drive-by and see what he's up to, see if he's home, you know. Cause like we're just at the end of the day, drive by.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Oh my gosh. That's so scary.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

So it must have been like divine intervention or something. I don't know what it was, but right as we were driving by, the front door opens, and we saw you guys walk out of his house together, and we were like, Oh my gosh, they're back together. And then he didn't text her back for like two days, and then finally he texted her back and was like, Hey, like, let's hang out tonight. And she was like, No.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Oh, oh, wait, hold on. I remember the story, and I didn't realize this was because I think you had told Megan about it, and I had heard it. That was this Hannah. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

Yeah, that's so funny. There's so much lore with us because we literally went to college together.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

The story I know, I know. It's literally crazy.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

I had no idea what drive-bys even were until I married into this family. Like, those are creepy. Are you kidding me? You guys are just driving by dudes' houses at any time.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

I mean stopping by.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

You do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

I mean, I guess that was good for okay. Also, that that story, Amy started with like, this is a funny story, and that was like the most worst possible outcome story ever. Like, super heavy. I was like, wow.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

I think he was kidding.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

No, I'm glad she's like over.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Like, it's funny now because like I know Hannah's moved on, my friend, and this was like 10 years ago. That's why it's funny now. It's not like this happened like two months ago. Okay, this is like 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

So long. Funny story. I caught your ex-boyfriend cheating on you.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

No, he probably was we probably were just like hanging out. We were in that off again, on again. Like I said, rode that roller coaster for way too long, and now that I'm off it, we don't do the roller coasters anymore. It's not not my journey.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

That's good. So that's good.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

Okay, because I knew you. Like when I when we first met, I feel like you guys either had just started dating or like you had just met him, and then like you guys were about to date. So how long was the on again, off again thing for?

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Oh my gosh. I mean, honestly, like I would say like five years, if I'm correct, like five-ish years, five, five, six years of on again, off again. And there were times we wouldn't talk for, you know, like six months at a time. I haven't talked to him in honestly, like over two years. Like, I mean, or three, almost three years. Like, it's been a very good chunk of time. Um, but that was really that was a tumultuous relationship, and I look back now and I just have like love for myself because I think I used to beat myself up about it, and it it like really taught me so much, and I I'm grateful that I was action-oriented when I finally got out of it. I actually got out of it, I think, by going to therapy, like starting to go to therapy was like very helpful for me. My therapist like totally changed my life, and like listening to his counsel was also I think it's a big part of like being successful in therapy, is actually like taking what they say and applying it. Like the action is the biggest part. You can vent to someone all day long, but if you don't actually change your actions, it's really hard. And I was like very trauma-bonded to him. I don't even know what the word you want to use, but it was really hard to detach. Like, I don't want to discredit when someone's in a toxic relationship or a toxic cycle, I have a lot of empathy, and I'm like, it is it's gut-wrenching, it feels so out of sorts. But I think you know, staying busy, surrounding yourself with good people, good friends, going to therapy for me too, like diving more into my spirituality and like really diving into my internal values and who am I? Like, why am I letting this person treat me this way? Like, how do how do I view myself? Like, there's just so many different things that I think really helped me eventually kind of get out of it. Because truly, I have never been happier, and I'm you know, single right now, and even like in the time frame since I ended things with him completely, it it really was just like a new wave of happiness and joy. And if you are stuck stuck in that toxic cycle, like I just think my my advice is just to get out, like do the take the steps to get out because I think there's like a one in a million chance that maybe some toxic relationship can have you know turn a corner and and get healthy again. But I think both people have to be very willing, and most of the time, one person's willing and one person is just gonna continue to show up the same way they've been, and you're never you're never gonna get out of it. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Thanks for coming to my TED talk about that. Sorry, that was a long-winded answer. No, I loved it because I've never been like in a situation like that, but I have quite a few friends who have been, and I mean, just like you said, it's like you can vent to somebody, you can get advice from your friends all day long, but until like you're actually ready to like do something about it, you're not like nothing's ever gonna change. And so I don't know, like if you could give like if you today could give yourself advice six years ago, like when you were in the middle of it, what would you say? Or like to a girl who's like currently like in the trenches, what would you say?

SPEAKER_03 38:44

I would say you have so much time. I think I felt this pressure. I had this like internal clock pressure because all my friends were having kids, and I want to be like at the same, you know, I want to be on the same trajectory as my friends. So I think first thing is you have so much time, and I wish I would have turned to God more. I think now I've I live a very God-centered life and I feel zero stress in a way. I mean, obviously every once in a while there's like moments of stress with dating, but overall I always kind of turned to God and like even having that connection and just clarity and blind faith has been transformational to me. And I'm and back then, like even though I was I was like active Mormon at the time, but I wasn't I didn't have like a relationship with God. I was just kind of you know checking the boxes, going to church or oh, I go to church, this good thing will happen, or I don't know. I just I didn't really it wasn't I hadn't developed that yet. So I would say like whether that's God or the universe or something, like find out, like I think diving into spirituality is what would have been really helpful at that point. And then honestly, it's like fool me once, shame on you, fool me 37 times, shame on me. Truly, like I think I I take a lot of credit of I just didn't have a lot of self-worth, and I put all my validation and all of my kind of value on the way that he viewed me or whatever, and I think that's just a recipe for disaster. Even now, if I go on a date with a guy and he doesn't text me after, it doesn't affect me the same way as it would. And I honestly asked myself this question when I go on a date, I'm like, do I like him? Did he make me laugh? Instead of being like, was I the like the hottest girl he's been out with this this week, or did he think I was funny, or oh my gosh, it's like I'm not thinking about that. I'm like, how did I feel around him? How was his energy? Did I feel peaceful? Did I feel chaotic? Like, I think it's really good to ask yourself those questions, especially as a girl. It's hard to be a girl. Like it's hard, you know, especially in this day and age. So I think ultimately, like going back to the original question and kind of tying a bow on it, it's like look inward and like focus on yourself, focus on, like I said, growing your relationship with God and get out. If it's not right, get out, block the number, block the Instagram. That was transformational for me too. Like you have to block sometimes, and it's not you being mean, it's or it's not even you having like ill intentions on that person, it's you setting a boundary and actually respecting yourself.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

Yeah, that's great advice. And I think that actually flows in perfectly into my next segment that I made just just for you.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Which calling this one the expert witness, right? Because we do all of ours are kind of legal terms because we're legally friends.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Um, and so this one is all about you providing your expert opinion. We're gonna talk through some health things because we gotta talk through some different health trends and like it's you, so we have to ask those questions. So, but first, before we do that, I want to go back to the beginning of you starting macro habits. So you were doing door-to-door cells, is what I've I've read. You were burnt out, you were eating barely anything. Kind of what was the moment when you said, I'm done, I'm starting my own thing, and kind of led you through this whole journey of starting macrohabits.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Long story short, I think the moment when I realized I need to start something was when I was out on a blitz for door-to-door sales. I was actually in New Mexico. Yeah, I was in New Mexico, which is yeah, rough. It was a rough place. But I got I really hit rock. I would say I hit rock bottom, and I was just I felt so unfulfilled and like so empty, even though I was working and I was with a great group of guys, like there were obviously positives to it, but ultimately I was like, this is not for me, and I can't see myself doing this for a long period of time, and it's not I don't know, I just I felt this like feeling of it's not gonna make me the money that I want it to make. Like, you have to obviously like really put in the work and like put in the reps with door-to-door sales, which is a really you know, I I know a lot of guys succeed at that, which is great, but I just for me, there was just something in my body that was like rejecting it, and so I yeah, I posted a TikTok of a what I eat in a day. One of the guys there, I had I was kind of getting all the guys tracking macros just because they were seeing me do it, and it was like me and 25 guys, like I was the only girl in this sales group, and I made it very clear. I'm like, I'm here to sell, I'm here to sell, I I set the boundary, and they most of them became my really good friends, some who I still talk to to this day. And I started I posted that TikTok of like a what I eat in a day, very out of my comfort zone. Like, I have never felt comfortable talking to a camera, filming myself. Like, that's really never been something that I've been drawn to. But I think the video got like over a hundred thousand views, and I started to get um instant or messages like, oh my gosh, will you do my macros? What's tracking macros? And I was like, Yeah, just like vend on me 30 bucks and I'll send you a macro split. And I got, I made like $300 that day or something. And that to me was I mean, I had no money. I had like less than $300 in my bank account at that moment. And so I just was like, I have something. And I just was so hungry to succeed. I was so hungry to make money. I didn't want to ask my parents for money. I wanted to be self-sufficient. And so, yeah, that like started it. And then I went home from that blitz and I just I lived at my parents' house for a year. My mom really helped me kind of like set it up the right way. We, you know, thought of a name, and I kind of had a general business model. Obviously, it's evolved and changed as I've continued to grow. But it was just, I think that sometimes people don't understand. Like, if you want to start your own business, it really requires like an unhealthy amount of drive and attention. I think in this day and age now, I'm all about like the mental health movement and like, you know, balance. But I did not have balance when I was starting macrohabits. I was married to it. I had, I almost lost myself in it for a while there. Like there were times where my health honestly suffered. And not that that's a good thing, but it just took a lot of time, attention, and yeah, grit to really get it off the ground and get it to where it is now. And I'm still kind of have that same mentality of every day when I wake up, I think about the girl who's money hungry at 21, who would do anything. And I'm like, that's my competition. And I have to keep that same energy to like continue to grow and evolve and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

That's really cool. I'm sure getting it to where it is, that's a grind because also there are so many people in the health and fitness world that are trying to do exactly what you're trying to do. And so to try and be better and different to them, that's that's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

It's a lot of work, but my advice for that is if you show up as yourself every day online, it it makes it less like I don't feel like I live two different lives. I know there's some maybe fitness influencers out there who kind of, or just influencers in general or business owners. I mean, an influencer is an entrepreneur, in my opinion, for the most part. And I think that if you really know me, like if you go to dinner with me, I have my digestive enzymes. I eat a little bit of everything. Like I centered on protein. I'm very consistent. And I think if I've talked to people before who are in my world who are like, are you it's just like it's such a burnout, it's so exhausting. Like, yes, like there are elements that are where I'm burnt out and I'm exhausted for sure. But I think if you have two, if you're doing something behind the scenes that you're not transparent about, that's where it can get very exhausting. You kind of have two personas. And so I think it's really good if you are starting something or you wanna, whether it's in health and wellness or a product, it's like practice what you preach. Because if you practice what you preach, it should be pretty seamless from an online presence to your actual reality. But I feel like you and your sisters, I love how transparent and how honest you guys all are. It's very refreshing, and you can tell you all are very confident women because you show up, even if it's not to the like nature of how maybe like the normalcy of other people or what they care about. It's like you guys don't care and you are who you are, and it's so endearing to me. Like, I love your guys' podcast. I'm like, no, I want to hear the sister tea. Like, I don't have sisters, like you know, it's just like it's refreshing. So I think you guys do a really good job too of just showing up as you are, and I think that's why you all are very successful online too.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Oh, thank you. That was really nice. Yeah, I think we can be a little too transparent sometimes, but like you said, it's exhausting when like you're trying to be like a different person online or something, and yeah, we just we don't have like that capacity, and we just like what you see is what you get with us.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Yeah. Oh, it's good.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Okay, next thing. So actually diving into some stuff. Um you had a actually no let's do this one. You said that 95% of the women who come to you are undereating. Like, what does that actually look like?

SPEAKER_03 47:54

Honestly, most girls I would say are consuming anywhere from like 12 to 1500 calories, and that's just kind of their normal. That's what they see in their head as quote unquote being skinny, or what's gonna get them kind of their dream physique or optimal physique. And I really saw a disconnect because when I first when I reverse dieted and I saw just all these body recomp changes, I just realized I was like, every girl is stuck in a deficit, and no one's talking about how to get out of the deficit, it's only talking about cutting and you know, how can we how can we eat less? Like the less you eat, the less you weigh. And when I figured out reverse dieting and just like the how to actually do a proper cut at a healthy caloric number, that was a light bulb moment for me, and that was a gap in the fitness realm that I saw. And I knew it was gonna be really hard because if I came to you, Amy, and I said, listen, I'm gonna, I'm actually gonna increase your calories, you'd be like, Hell no, Hannah, like I can't do that. It's it's scary.

SPEAKER_00 48:57

Yeah, that would like send me into a panic. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

Very normal, and that's where I, you know, now obviously have a lot more credibility and hundreds of testimonials and all of this stuff, but I always want to be empathetic that it is scary to increase, but we are increasing macros, not just calories. So I'm not just throwing you an extra 150 calories, it's categorized into three macronutrients, and your body does respond differently to tracking macros than just tracking calories. So, yeah, if you're under-eating right now and you're listening, go fill out my start form. I'm gonna plug myself because I truly feel like my like ultimate fulfillment comes from helping a girl see the other side of things of like fueling your body properly and improving your relationship and knowledge of food. The body just follows suit. That's that's kind of like the I would say the ultimate answer to that.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

Can you explain the reverse dieting and like what that is in detail?

SPEAKER_03 49:55

So, reverse dieting and bulking are two different things, in my in my opinion. Obviously, there's a lot of opinions on this, but in my opinion, I don't do any type of bulking or cutting. I don't want to put on 20 pounds of muscle to then have to cut and then get abs after. Like, I that's just not gonna be mentally healthy for me, or I don't think any girl wants to do that. I know that was like really popular when I first started macrohabits. It was much more of a bodybuilding world, the bulking, the cutting, and then reverse dieting was like not talked about at all. And then it kind of has gotten more and more traction as time has gone on. And what it is, it's slowly increasing certain macronutrients over a long period of time. So, for example, if if a girl comes to me and she's only consuming on average 60 grams of protein a day, I'm not gonna start her at 150 grams of protein. I'm gonna start her around 65 to 75 grams of protein and balance her fats and carbs so she's got a healthier caloric number. Or actually, I'll start her around kind of her average calorie consumption and then bring her up slowly. And what that does is it doesn't put them in an immediate surplus. We rev up your metabolism. A lot of people have kind of a damaged metabolism. And once you can kind of reactivate your metabolism, obviously, this involves eating healthy, like that 80-20 rule I really stand by, proper workouts, proper movement, but it's simple. You don't have to go kill yourself at the gym, you know, seven days a week. You could do three solid workouts a week, go for an outdoor walk as you're reverse dieting and still see positive body recomp. It is also really important to be consistent though with it, because you're slowly increasing over every one to three weeks. You do want to be consistent with tracking the macro split. But ultimately, reverse dieting you is bringing you up to a higher caloric maintenance without like while seeing positive body recomp, which is decreasing body fat and then gaining lean muscle.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

Okay, so everyone is on a GLP1.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

I know.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

So what do you think of GLP1s with like macros and like reverse dieting and like all of that?

SPEAKER_03 51:59

I think that there is a time and a place, or there can be a time and a place for a GLP one. I'm not anti-GLP1. I've never done one. I don't have any plans to do one. I do think it is there's a large part of the population that kind of abuses it and kind of uses it as a band-aid or a quick fix, which I'm not necessarily in support of. I mean, everyone can do what they want. I would say though, with my business and when the GLP one craze kind of started to get more intense, it kind of stressed me out because I'm like, okay, like what is this magic drug that's zapping everyone's appetite and that's making them drop 20 pounds in a month? Like, there was obviously this kind of immediate just kind of obsession or a lot of like there's a lot of popularity around it. And so I kind of leaned into it and I'm like, all right, these girls are eventually gonna need to reverse diet because just like anything, it's this is only gonna work for so long, you know. So if you are on a GLP1 right now, I do recommend tracking macros because I think hitting a certain amount of protein is really good for muscle preservation. When you're on a GLP1, it can really cause a lot of muscle atrophy and you can kind of get a little bit more of a, I say this like these are strong words, but like a skinny fat look, or you lose you lose shape, you know, and I'm not trying to like body shame or anything like that. I'm just kind of speaking in, like I say, kind of stronger terms with it. And a lot of the time now I work with girls who are coming who want to transition off the GLP one without gaining weight again. So actually, if you aren't a GLP one, like come one, come all. I I think I I want to help you transition off of it in a healthy way to where we can get you back up to a healthy caloric maintenance without undoing all the progress you've done on a GLP one.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

So I know some people who are on it and they want to get off of it now, but they are terrified that they're just like gonna gain all their weight back. Like, what would your like biggest advice be for them?

SPEAKER_03 53:53

My biggest advice would be to wean off of it. You don't have to go cold turkey, and I'm putting myself in their shoes because if I was on something that was helping me see results a lot quicker and making it easier, obviously you're gonna want to continue to do that, you know? Um, so I would say wean off of it slowly, and as you're weaning off of it, I would start reverse dieting, or but even if you don't want to take that leap yet, or tracking macros feels out of your comfort zone or overwhelming, I would say just tracking your protein is gonna help you with your fullness, like feeling fuller and um the speed of your metabolism, like protein has the highest thermic effect. So as you're eating protein, your body burns the most calories just through digestion, which is why protein is such like it's to me like one of the most important macronutrients. Um, it's also gonna help you build muscle, it's gonna help you lose body fat. Like I said, it's gonna keep you full, it's gonna help with cravings. So I would say it increasing your protein and increasing your water intake. I know a lot of girls on GLP ones are really dehydrated because you're like, you don't even want to drink water because you just have this weird feeling. This is obviously from what I've heard. Like I said, I've never done one. Sorry, I just have to be so like specific about that because I get accusations all the time or questions all the time. So I would say, yeah, increase the protein, wean off of it slowly, and start incorporating maybe like one to three gym sessions a week to help yourself also kind of get into routine. And I think if you are in a GLP one, you still should be prioritizing protein. You still should be prioritizing movement in the gym or movement somehow. I think that, like I said, there's a time and a place for it, and some girls really do need it who have like severe um insulin resistance or severe PCOS. Like it's obviously prescribed for a reason, so I don't want to discredit that or discount that. But I think if you have used it as a band-aid and you've lost the weight and now you're like shit, like I don't know what to do. That's kind of what I would I would say. Um, but like I said, come over to my page because I I will help you. I'll get you off of it without all the weight gained back.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

Last question on this is just give us your most controversial food opinion.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

Oh my gosh. My most controversial food opinion, I think it goes back to you don't always you don't need to be in a chronic deficit to get your dream body or to build muscle and lose body fat. I think a lot of people, like I said, live in the calorie deficit and it's very unsustainable and creates so many other issues with food noise and hormone irregulation, loss of period, infertility issues, even. Like there's there's so many rebounding negative effects that can come from living in that chronic deficit. So I would say you can actually see more results when you properly increase certain macronutrients strategically over a long period of time. I also have another hot take that's kind of like it's not in the food realm, it's more in the supplement realm. But I think that a lot of people are consuming too much sodium with electrolytes. With the female demographic, I think girls are consuming way too much sodium in their electrolytes. I know for me, when I was drinking LMNT every day or Relight, I would almost feel like puffy after and like swollen. Like my hands were kind of swollen. I felt like bloated. And that was a big turn for me when I switched to a different electrolytes powder that I love. They're their company's powders. They contain around 500 milligrams of sodium and 311 milligrams of potassium. And what potassium does is it pulls water out, so it helps with water retention. Although it's hydrating, you like hydration is important. Sodium is so important. Like I love salt. I'm like popping flake salt on everything. I'm not anti-sodium, but I think a thousand milligrams at one time for someone that's not running every day or doing a very high-intensity workout that's eliciting a heavy sweat, it can be it can cause you bloating and puffiness. So if you're a girl listening to this right now and you're like, okay, that's kind of like a light bulb moment. I am feeling a little puffy after I drink my electrolytes. I would either maybe do half a packet or switch to a different brand that has that lower sodium, higher potassium mineral profile.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

That I've definitely felt that before, though. After I drink the electrolytes, I do feel like the next day, sometimes I'll wake up the next day after I've drunk after I've had that, and I feel a little like yeah, like I feel puffy.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

Well, it's like a little layer, it's like a little water retention.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

Yeah, for sure. For sure. It's almost like I get that sometimes after I have like Cape Rio because there's so much salt. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

Or like in Taiwan the next day. I'm like, my face is four times the size. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Exactly. Exactly. All right. We have two more things I wanted to cover. And this one we'll make super quick. You're gonna either say sustained or overruled, and it's just gonna be basically opinions that are popular in the health and fitness world. And I just we just want to get your thoughts on it. And so I'll just say the statement and then you say whether it's overruled or you sustain. So, okay, first one cardio is the best way to lose weight.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Overruled.

SPEAKER_01 59:03

Overruled.

SPEAKER_03 59:04

I don't even know why I think that strength training is you burn more calories after you strength train, which is, in my opinion, like better for a total daily energy expenditure. Um, also, when you're strength training, it boosts your metabolism. And I think a lot of girls focus on like their Apple Watch or their aura ring and their calorie burn. And when you do cardio, you burn more calories in the moment, but you're actually more depleted after. And then you'll have like sometimes more appetite fluctuations or higher cravings, um, inflammation and all that stuff. So, with proper strength training, I actually think that is what I would recommend to someone. Cardio has a time and a place. I just don't think you need to do 60 minutes of cardio. I think doing 10 to 15 minutes of cardio, and I would do like Stairmaster, inclined walking, something that's a little more lower impact, has more benefit when it comes to body recomposition.

SPEAKER_01 59:58

The next one is intermittent fasting.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

I would say, so there is nuance in this question, but overall I would say overruled.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Okay, so this is what I do. I'll wake up, I always run 30 minutes on the treadmill, like super hard. So I'm just pouring sweat, and then I'll typically lift for like 20, 30 minutes. And then I don't eat, and that'll be easier to be like eight or nine in the morning, and then I don't eat until noon or one. And the issue is then when I get to the evening, like then I'll have lunch, and then by the evening, then I'm just so starving, like all night long. And so I just pile food and then I do the same thing every day.

unknown 1:00:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

So did you just answer your own question?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:42

Yes, but this is kind of plays into what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:45

So I actually here's the nuance in the question. Overall, I think intermittent fasting, I'm not a fan of it because I don't like setting restrictions on what I can or can't eat because that takes away a level of intuitiveness. Like I track macros with an intuitive approach. So some days I eat at 7 a.m., some days I eat at 10:30 a.m. There's no like right or wrong time. When for for my brain, and I think a lot of girls' brains, we kind of hyperfixate. And there's a lot of, I feel like a lot of girls, even if they're not type A, there is like a natural kind of hyperfixation. So if you tell yourself, okay, I can't eat till noon, but you are starving at 10 a.m., all that's doing is creating so much food noise, and clearly your body is starving for a reason. And I think it's better to just have like a healthy, high protein, two to three hundred calorie meal right then than waiting till noon and binging out and having like seven to eight hundred calories and then having bloating and digestive issues after, and then you feel like shit, then you have a blood sugar crash. Like there's so many, it's kind of like a snowball effect, you know. If you wait, I will say there are certain parts of the cycle for a girl where intermittent fasting can be helpful or conducive, but I don't know. You have to be very like in tune with your cycle and kind of be into the cycle syncing with that and everything. But last thing about the intermittent fasting, I think men intermittent fast really well. Like, I actually I actually think men do really well because men are as emotional with food. Men are simple. Like, if you say, Okay, you can eat from noon to eight, you're like, okay, for a girl, it's like, well, why can't I eat at 11? I want to eat at 10. What if I'm hungry at 7:30? Oh my gosh, I have this. Like, you know, you start to kind of girls are just we have a lot going on. So I think it's could be sustained to answer your question, sustained for men, but I would say overruled for 95% of women.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

Okay, I got two more for you, real quick. Um, next one is if you're not tracking your food, you're just guessing. So for tracking macros.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:42

Yes, or that's um sustained. Sustained. Yes, I agree. You don't need to track macros for forever. There can be seasons of tracking. You don't need to, like, I think that sometimes people get overwhelmed with tracking macros because they're like, once I start, I'm like on this hamster wheel. And truly, there even throughout starting macro habits, and I've been very transparent about this, there's been seasons where I've been much more intuitive and seasons where I've been much more dialed because it just depends on if I'm dating someone, am I going on a lot of trips? Like, what is my lifestyle looking like? So I think that tracking macros should be it should guide you, but it shouldn't control you. So that's where I feel like my page is a little bit different because I encourage a level of flexibility and intuitiveness with it. And I think that ultimately when you track macros, you understand the macro breakthrough of your food, therefore it takes away the guess. So to kind of go back to that question, I do think it's important to like, yes, put you know, a chicken breast on a food scale and see how many ounces it is. That's not toxic or restrictive, in my opinion. That's just knowledge, like that's just educating yourself. And if you have a physique goal, you have to apply some type of structure to get there. And I think that tracking macros is one of the healthiest ways to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

No, that's great. And really quick, last one is you can have a cheat day.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

Overrolled.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Really? You're not a cheat day person.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:03

I am so anti-cheat day. Here's the thing I'm anti-cheat day because cheat days, in my opinion, create a scarcity mindset with food. And once again, it goes back to that like yo-yo dieting binge and restrict, like you'll be good all week long. You're hitting your 1600 calorie, 700 calories, 1800 calories, whatever you're at. Okay. And then on Saturday, you go into this massive surplus and you're eating, you know, two to four thousand calories. You kind of have just undone all of your progress for that week if you're looking at how many calories you're consuming in a week. So I'm just not a fan of it. I'm like, if you want ice cream on a Tuesday, like fit it in your macros or have a small serving and stop when you're full. I think portion control is also something that's not that's eliminated when you are having like a cheat day every single week.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

All this is hitting way too close to home for me. I don't like it because I'm the type that starts a new diet every single Monday, and then I'll get like through the week and I'm like, screw it. Like, I'll have one bad day. All right, I'll start again on Monday, and then it's like, oh, it's a cheat day. Like, yeah, this is hitting way too close to home. Last segment we always do, and we'll just do one one write-in. We do judge and jury. So this is where we read real submissions from listeners, and we will give our ruling since we have a nutrition expert with us today, Hannah. We pulled some that are more food and family related, and I actually found this one. This one wasn't written into us, but I found it online, and I thought it was it would be a good one to talk about. So, my sister-in-law, this is the this is the write-in now, or actually what I found online. My sister-in-law started a fitness Instagram about six months ago, and now every family mat family gathering, she's filming her meals, correcting what people eat, and trying to coach everyone for free. She told my mom that her cast was basically just inflammatory ingredients. Am I guilty for being annoyed? Or is she guilty of turning every family dinner into a wellness seminar?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

Oh, I think that that girl is so valid and being annoyed.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Did you ever do this when you first started?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:08

I will say this. If there's one thing I'm confident in is I don't lead with macrohabits in a day-to-day basis. I will never tell someone how to eat. I will never give my two cents unless I'm asked. So unless someone says, Hannah, what is the best thing to order? Or Hannah, I need help with this, then I am like, yes, like let me give it to you. But I will never tell someone that's bad. You shouldn't eat that. You should have more protein. This has this in it. Like, I think that's crossing a line, and it's just not, there's a lack of self-awareness. Food is a sensitive topic for a lot of people, and you don't really know what demons some people are fighting with that. So I think that filming your food is fine. I mean, I do that all the time, but my family just kind of knows, and they make jokes all the time, and people make jokes, and I'm like, hey, total it pays the bills, so make fun of me all you want. But um, I do think that like talking about it or giving unsolicited advice in the food realm is a big lack of self-awareness.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:02

Amy, who does that in our family?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:04

Oh gosh, please.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

I actually I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

Well, this is not a shot because I love that she does it, but Megan is always yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:15

Megan will come to my mom's house and like kind of cringe like what's in the pantry, like the white bread, the Doritos with the red die 40 or whatever it's called. And like I I get it, like it is cringe. And Megan's like so healthy. Like, I make these cookies and instead of butter, it calls for Crisco. And Megan, every time I make them, she's like, Why are you making those cookies? And like she'll still let the boys eat it, and like she'll even have like a couple bites, but she's like, Really? Like, do you have to make cookies with Crisco instead of like butter or like something else? But I mean, not to the level of what this admission is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because that that is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:00

You guys have your own like banter, and sometimes I think like everything's kind of a bit like it's that's how it is with my family sometimes. Like they'll joke, and we're very, you know, you we can speak freely without like judgment, or I think that you know, it also depends. Like, that's where I'm saying it goes back to like the self-awareness. I'm sure Meg does that with you, but if she goes to like your house, Zach, she's probably not talking to your mother-in-law, like you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:27

Yeah, like Megan. I don't think Megan would ever walk into Diane's house and be like, Diane, what are you cooking with?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

Hannah, before we let you go, can you tell us tell everyone where they can find you?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:37

So my Instagram is macro underscore habits. My website is just www.macrohabits.com. My podcast is the macrohabits podcast. And yeah, if you guys, if anyone's curious about tracking macros or reverse siding, there's a start form on my website, and that's kind of like step one. Once you fill out the start form, I then email you like a questionnaire, a price sheet. And then once I see all of your answers, I can give you kind of my recommendation. And all of this is free up until obviously if you want to buy a plan that obviously costs money or do one-on-one coaching. That's another program. But I always want people to be able to see what I would recommend before they commit to something.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

And I did this, it was a couple years ago, but it was very easy and super straightforward. So I think some people hear the macro things and think it's very overcomplicated and hard to track. But honestly, you just she sends you the email exactly what to do and what to track, and it's it's really easy.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:33

So here's my question because I hate cooking, I hardly ever cook. So can you do a good cook? I'm a good cook.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:44

She is a good cook, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

I hate it. And especially like if I'm only cooking for myself, I like I'd rather just go out to eat. So for somebody who like doesn't like to cook and who mainly eats out, can you like can you do a plan for that? Or is it like, no, you like actually need to cook your own food?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

I think you you mean you could totally do a plan because you choose what you fill your macros with. So you can choose where you want to get, you know, where you wanna or what you want to eat to hit your protein, fats, and carbs. If that's Chick-fil-A and you know, Cafe Rio, you can make it work. But I will say it's what you eat does matter when it comes to like digestion, bloating, fat loss, and all of that stuff. Like, I think that it's harder with the fats and carbs when you eat out two to three times a day. I think that if if I were you, I would say, can you do like one meal out and then one very simple, one to two simple meals at home? They don't even require a lot of cooking. And you can even buy like a rotisserie chicken and shred the chicken. Like, you can kind of keep it simple, but I would say if you are gonna track macros, you kind of need to be like, okay, I am gonna focus a little more attention and time in the kitchen. And that's that's also something I would ask, or piggyback off that is like, how bad do you want it? Like, do you want to see results? Like, you know, there's kind of that drive that you have to have with like changing your body. So I don't think it's like a it's not like a hell no. You you can do it while eating out quite a bit, but it does make it a little bit trickier, but it's doable.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

And this is sorry, not adding on to the expert opinion here, but I saw or Megan showed me a TikTok of someone going to Chipotle and then actually measuring the food that they got because everyone thinks Chipotle is healthy and it's only and it advertises like you know six to nine hundred calories, and then they went home and actually measured out like the rice, the meat, and the beans and everything ended up being 1600 calories of food. And so everyone thinks they're like getting this healthy meal and like hitting your macros, you're tracking that, but in reality, you're nowhere, you're so far above what it actually is saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:54

That's a really good point to bring up. I think it's important that goes back to stopping when you're full. Because sometimes, like, if you go out to eat, you'll be like, okay, this Chipotle bowl has 50 grams of protein and 600 calories, but then you get halfway through and you're full, but you're like, no, I want to hit my protein, I want to hit my protein, and then you actually end up eating 1200 calories. So I think it is good to like when you're out to eat, even at home too, like stopping when you're full is key when it comes to maintaining like a healthy relationship with tracking macros. Because if you're eating until you're stuffed every day, you're gonna end up hating it. Just like if you're if you're tracking macros at a too low of a split and you feel like you're constantly starving, that's not gonna be healthy either. You kind of have to find that happy medium.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:33

Well, Hannah, thank you so much for coming on. Um that was great. Loved hearing your stories, obviously getting your advice. Make sure everyone goes and follows her and checks out her pages. And that's it for this week.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:45

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SPEAKER_03 1:12:59

Bye. Bye.